Dahlias 2010 season

[Tel]

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Do you not have a problem with "drawn" seedlings, and those seeds that need light to germinate?

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If they need light to germinate then they have to wait until it’s warm enough in the greenhouse. If drawn means leggy then yes, it’s not usually a problem because they sort themselves out when I transplant them and put them in the greenhouse. This year it’s still too cold out there so I’ve lost a lot.

I might try the propagators again when I get electric in the greenhouse. My main problem is not checking them often enough and they dry out.

I did notice in a few threads that it seems better to water seed trays from the bottom. How’s this done? Do I dunk my trays in another tray of water? I’ve always watered from the top with a fine rose then spend ages standing the little seedlings up again.

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Thats the way to do it

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 06/03/2010 : 18:19:39
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Day 4 the 3 dahlia cuttings are still looking healthy, on the kitchen window ledge.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



MotherGoose
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18619 Posts Posted - 06/03/2010 : 18:23:57
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Oh that's good news Tel You can't beat a good kitchen window ledge for growing cuttings on....I've got 72 fuchsias on mine


WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 06/03/2010 : 18:40:18
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Originally posted by tel7772

Day 4 the 3 dahlia cuttings are still looking healthy, on the kitchen window ledge.

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Excellent stuff Tel, I have 15 assorted early cuttings taken yesterday on the go.

Mark


WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 06/03/2010 : 18:46:11
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My giant double begonias are just starting to break through. I tend to hold back on them flowering until early August in time for the local shows.

Its far to competative to venture onto the bigger stage with them. I have been growing them for about 10 years now.

Cant beieve the price of some of Blackmore and Langon varieties, £30 a pop, ouch said the wallet.


Mark


Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 06/03/2010 : 20:49:39
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Begonias...in the Dahlia thread?.....tut...tut. Mark I buy from B&L when they have a sale on

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 07/03/2010 : 10:15:08
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Begonias...in the Dahlia thread?.....tut...tut. Mark I buy from B&L when they have a sale on

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Oops, begonias, tut, tut on me.

I used to buy their really expensive ones, but now just an assortment of their greenhouse types, some of them are just as good but not named which is good enough for my needs.

Strickly dahlia talk from now on, promise !!


Mark




DahliaMan
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117 Posts Posted - 08/03/2010 : 13:07:29
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Originally posted by tel7772

Day 4 the 3 dahlia cuttings are still looking healthy, on the kitchen window ledge.

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Hi
I know these are an experiment but Id be interested to know when they are ready for planting as I imagine will be like late April, which is far to early where exhibition plants are the plan!
Regards, Paul

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Paul
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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 08/03/2010 : 14:38:04
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Originally posted by tel7772

Day 4 the 3 dahlia cuttings are still looking healthy, on the kitchen window ledge.

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Hi
I know these are an experiment but Id be interested to know when they are ready for planting as I imagine will be like late April, which is far to early where exhibition plants are the plan!
Regards, Paul

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Paul, when do you strike your cuttings as possible show plants ? Although I have taken some already, I would like to think early - mid april is my target.

Mark


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 08/03/2010 : 16:50:43
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Originally posted by tel7772

Day 4 the 3 dahlia cuttings are still looking healthy, on the kitchen window ledge.

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Hi
I know these are an experiment but Id be interested to know when they are ready for planting as I imagine will be like late April, which is far to early where exhibition plants are the plan!
Regards, Paul

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Those 3 are early, the only cuttings i have struck are Sir Alf Ramsey taken at the weekend.
I expect the majority of my cuttings to be potted up next Month.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



DahliaMan
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117 Posts Posted - 08/03/2010 : 19:08:28
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Originally posted by tel7772

Day 4 the 3 dahlia cuttings are still looking healthy, on the kitchen window ledge.

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Hi
I know these are an experiment but Id be interested to know when they are ready for planting as I imagine will be like late April, which is far to early where exhibition plants are the plan!
Regards, Paul

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Paul, when do you strike your cuttings as possible show plants ? Although I have taken some already, I would like to think early - mid april is my target.

Mark

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Hi Mark
This is not straightforward to answer because I find it depends on the cultivar being grown. For instance with Trelyn Kiwi I am looking for substantial plants at planting time (late May)that have already started 'breaking' between the leaf axles. The plants used would be from cuttings taken middle or 3rd week of March. Whereas, with Kelsae Carla the plants used would be from cuttings taken 2nd week April.
In general terms the dahlias planted are from cuttings taken very late March or 1st week April (at least here in Cornwall).
Regards, Paul

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Paul
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DahliaMan
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117 Posts Posted - 08/03/2010 : 19:18:53
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Update:
I put my tubers on the heated bench 3 weeks ago. The Trelyn's, Mary's Jomandas, Weston Pirate, Scaur Sunset, Karenglen are the best looking in terms of potential cuttings material, and Barbarry Pip, Blyton Lady In Red are showing nothing not even an eye (with the former I have recently ordered a further 12 giving me 16 ordered, as I consider this one of the best miniature decs Ive grown). I'm planning on taking a few cuttings this weekend (Trelyn's) but as far as exhibition dahlias are concerned - it's early days yet.
Regards, Paul

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Paul
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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 08/03/2010 : 20:56:27
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I have Blyton Royal Velvet, this was put on the heated bench at the same time as the others in Jan, only now is it starting to show anything.
A new one to me this year, 2 tubers of Ruskin Respectable,as been on the bench 5 weeks the only thing it has done so far is take root.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 10/03/2010 : 16:12:41
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Called into Wyevale's Garden Centre over the weekend they did not have the Windmill dahlia.
I also called in our local garden centre, they did not have it either.

Today Brenda and the Daughter in Law asked me to take them to a store called Pound Stretcher, just inside the door there it was Windmill Dahlia tubers £1.99p

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 10/03/2010 : 16:12:49
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Originally posted by tel7772

I have Blyton Royal Velvet, this was put on the heated bench at the same time as the others in Jan, only now is it starting to show anything.
A new one to me this year, 2 tubers of Ruskin Respectable,as been on the bench 5 weeks the only thing it has done so far is take root.

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Byton Royal Velvet is apparently a slow starter, I ordered 12 plants from Ryecroft last year and talking with Mary-Ann on Monday she said her's were also slow to get going.

My Oakwood Goldcrest are also a bit slow, 4 tubers three very small cuttings but loads of eyes breaking through, so hopefully they will pick up in the next 2-3 weeks ?

On the other hand Charlie Two 'yellow', 8 cuttings on one tuber alone, should be ready for the knife in about 2 weeks, which is good as their target 'Shrewsbury flower show' is mid August


Mark


Cherry
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13929 Posts Posted - 10/03/2010 : 17:29:20
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Well done Tel. You should take your ladies out more.


Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 10/03/2010 : 17:39:54
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Called into Wyevale's Garden Centre over the weekend they did not have the Windmill dahlia.
I also called in our local garden centre, they did not have it either.

Today Brenda and the Daughter in Law asked me to take them to a store called Pound Stretcher, just inside the door there it was Windmill Dahlia tubers £1.99p
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That was a bit of luck...its a real " bobby dazzler"

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 10/03/2010 : 20:18:56
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Doesn't a bargain make you feel good

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 11/03/2010 : 15:58:40
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Doesn't a bargain make you feel good

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I saved a fair bit finding them, it would have cost a lot more by mail order.
I got some funny looks by the checkout assistant, i kept shaking the pkts as i took them out of a box so i could see if there was any sign of life in the tubers, i finally picked on that had a couple of eyes showing, so at least i have not picked a dud one.


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 11/03/2010 : 16:01:50
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Day 8 and the 3 cuttings are still looking perky.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 13/03/2010 : 10:34:19
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'NARROWS TRICIA' Yellow Semi-Cactus

New to me this year, can be grown as a medium or a large, preference for the latter.

Anybody grow or have grown them ? any cutural tips would be gratefully recieved as in disbudding, grown up, stopping etc.

Thanks Mark


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 14/03/2010 : 11:45:51
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Never grown this one Mark, and i would be guessing on how to grow it.
Paul has grown this one i believe,Not sure if Derek has, they may be able to give you some tips, if not it will be a learning curve with it.
If i was growing it i would grow it like Kenora Challenger and take it from there.
Sorry i cannot be more help Mark.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



DahliaMan
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117 Posts Posted - 14/03/2010 : 18:21:53
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'NARROWS TRICIA' Yellow Semi-Cactus

New to me this year, can be grown as a medium or a large, preference for the latter.

Anybody grow or have grown them ? any cutural tips would be gratefully recieved as in disbudding, grown up, stopping etc.

Thanks Mark

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Hi Mark
RE: Narrows Tricia
Yes I grew this one for a couple of years and I consider its a large semi cactus.
Stop x 1 on 2nd week June, Stems secured x 5 up, Disbud x Wings & 3 next pairs shoots down.
Two years ago I had a 'Best Bloom In Show' with it at out main County show, last year nothing shown. The problem being is that it marks too readily. I wouldnt consider its any better than some others but Id be interested to hear how you get on with it (as I would with any other dahlias you grow).
For any further advice just let me know.
Regards, Paul

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Paul
from Cornwall, South West England



WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 14/03/2010 : 19:20:09
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

'NARROWS TRICIA' Yellow Semi-Cactus

New to me this year, can be grown as a medium or a large, preference for the latter.

Anybody grow or have grown them ? any cutural tips would be gratefully recieved as in disbudding, grown up, stopping etc.

Thanks Mark

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Hi Mark
RE: Narrows Tricia
Yes I grew this one for a couple of years and I consider its a large semi cactus.
Stop x 1 on 2nd week June, Stems secured x 5 up, Disbud x Wings & 3 next pairs shoots down.
Two years ago I had a 'Best Bloom In Show' with it at out main County show, last year nothing shown. The problem being is that it marks too readily. I wouldnt consider its any better than some others but Id be interested to hear how you get on with it (as I would with any other dahlias you grow).
For any further advice just let me know.
Regards, Paul

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Thanks Paul for the info, I will give it a try and see what happens. I saw a few vases of it at the National last year and it looked quite nice, but who knows how it will fare in my soil. Time is the test as with any of them.

Mark


derekbrooks
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2530 Posts Posted - 14/03/2010 : 21:05:58
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Sorry I can't help as I have never grown that one.


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[Tel]

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Sorry I can't help as I have never grown that one.

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Thanks anyway Derek,

Its great to know help is at hand if needed. before I started this showing palava, I used to just either chuck a few different tubers in the ground from the local garden center or buy an assortment of plants from 'Halls' and hope for the best.

No cuttings, no stopping, disbudding, spraying, feeding etc, how times change. There is obviously a lot more to it than having a nice garden display and enter the local show if you fancy your chances against the neighbour.

Mark


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 15/03/2010 : 15:44:56
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Nothing to it is there Mark.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 15/03/2010 : 15:49:42
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Just been taking a few dahlia cuttings, i noticed on the Bryn Terfel the shoots were not looking very healthy, it had come into growth but has rotted since, that was the only one i had.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Rosie8032
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11991 Posts Posted - 15/03/2010 : 15:56:29
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Oh what a shame Tel, any idea what happened to it?

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Back to Aberdeenshire Rosie


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 15/03/2010 : 16:04:03
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Just one of those things Rosie, i find i get one or two that do that every year, but i normally have 8 tubers of each set up.
But this tuber was from one plant i bought last year but that is the ups and downs of gardening in any form.

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derekbrooks
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2530 Posts Posted - 15/03/2010 : 22:49:37
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The person who promised to bring me a Bryn Terfel to the last veg meeting forgot it but he said it had 2 or 3 good shoots on it.He said he would take them off and root them for me.Hope he remembers to do that!


derekbrooks
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2530 Posts Posted - 16/03/2010 : 23:08:19
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I have potted my first rooted cuttings today.They were taken on Feb 9th and 10th.


DahliaMan
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117 Posts Posted - 17/03/2010 : 19:35:10
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Sorry I can't help as I have never grown that one.

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Thanks anyway Derek,

Its great to know help is at hand if needed. before I started this showing palava, I used to just either chuck a few different tubers in the ground from the local garden center or buy an assortment of plants from 'Halls' and hope for the best.

Ha Ha you got that right Mark but then its the difficulty that for me adds to the pure enjoyment and challenge of growing my favourite flower
Paul


No cuttings, no stopping, disbudding, spraying, feeding etc, how times change. There is obviously a lot more to it than having a nice garden display and enter the local show if you fancy your chances against the neighbour.

Mark

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from Cornwall, South West England



tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 18/03/2010 : 09:44:12
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Originally posted by DahliaMan


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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6


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Originally posted by derekbrooks

Sorry I can't help as I have never grown that one.

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Thanks anyway Derek,

Its great to know help is at hand if needed. before I started this showing palava, I used to just either chuck a few different tubers in the ground from the local garden center or buy an assortment of plants from 'Halls' and hope for the best.

Ha Ha you got that right Mark but then its the difficulty that for me adds to the pure enjoyment and challenge of growing my favourite flowerPaul


No cuttings, no stopping, disbudding, spraying, feeding etc, how times change. There is obviously a lot more to it than having a nice garden display and enter the local show if you fancy your chances against the neighbour.

Mark

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I will second that.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 18/03/2010 : 12:15:07
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Can I dig up my Dahlias now?

Last winter I only dug up a few because I was unsure I could keep them safe over winter (mice and cold) but they have all survived. When I dug them up I put a few tubers back where I dug them from, unfortunately I didn’t know that all tubers won’t grow into plants so I could have big gaps.

This morning I spread a load of manure on the bed and want to dig it in but half the bed still contains tubers.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 18/03/2010 : 13:09:47
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Can I dig up my Dahlias now?

Last winter I only dug up a few because I was unsure I could keep them safe over winter (mice and cold) but they have all survived. When I dug them up I put a few tubers back where I dug them from, unfortunately I didn’t know that all tubers won’t grow into plants so I could have big gaps.

This morning I spread a load of manure on the bed and want to dig it in but half the bed still contains tubers.

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You can dig them up now WLF check them over for any rot, do not plant any tubers that break off during lifting all the growth comes from the crown of the plant.
I hope your dahlia's have come through the winter this year..
This far up north i would plant ground tubers beginning of May where you are you should be ok in April.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 18/03/2010 : 15:43:07
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Thanks Tel, I've got the hang of which ones will grow and which ones wont now so I'll be carefull with which ones go back in.

How deep under the soil should the tops be when I replant them?

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 18/03/2010 : 17:20:16
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Thanks Tel, I've got the hang of which ones will grow and which ones wont now so I'll be carefull with which ones go back in.

How deep under the soil should the tops be when I replant them?

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If you are going to leave them in all the year round you will need to have at least 4in of soil covering the tops.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 18/03/2010 : 20:15:45
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I’ve got quite attached to them now so I think it would be safer to lift them each year. The bed they are in is a raised bed but if we flood badly even that is under water.

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 19/03/2010 : 09:46:49
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That’s clinched it, in future years all my Dahlias are coming out in the autumn. I’ve just dug up the remaining tubers and cleaning them up was probably the most disgusting job I’ve ever had to do in the garden. Half the tubers had rotted and stank, they were full of hundreds of tiny pink worms which did get me a little squeamish.

I’ve left the sound ones in the conservatory on news paper to dry, I’m fairly certain there are still quite a few which will grow.

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grindle
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15010 Posts Posted - 19/03/2010 : 12:03:01
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I don't envy you that job WLF


Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 19/03/2010 : 12:39:14
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Me neither....I can smell them from here

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 19/03/2010 : 16:51:26
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It has been the coldest winter for years even for your area, i would never get away with leaving mine in the ground up here.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 19/03/2010 : 17:43:29
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I’m glad I dug some at the begining of the winter, some of those have tiny shoots on them so I know I haven’t lost them all. There’s a huge learning curve going on down here with regard to growing Dahlias. I'm enjoying it

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 19/03/2010 : 18:18:31
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That’s clinched it, in future years all my Dahlias are coming out in the autumn. I’ve just dug up the remaining tubers and cleaning them up was probably the most disgusting job I’ve ever had to do in the garden. Half the tubers had rotted and stank, they were full of hundreds of tiny pink worms which did get me a little squeamish.

I’ve left the sound ones in the conservatory on news paper to dry, I’m fairly certain there are still quite a few which will grow.

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I used to leave mine in the ground up until 2 winters ago, lost the lot, so now they are dug up late October.The soil around my area is quite heavy, so if I leave them any later its too hard to get them out of the ground if we have a lot of rain.

Dried, trimmed, labelled and stored in peat in the garage in dark coloured plastic storage boxes.

Only lost 4 tubers through rot this winter out of about 70, pretty good considering it was a cold winter.

Mark


Wildlife_friendly
Mrs

4074 Posts Posted - 20/03/2010 : 07:03:37
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Now I have more than one variety I’m going to have to label them if I dig all of them up this autumn. Labelling is not a strong point of mine.

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DahliaMan
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117 Posts Posted - 20/03/2010 : 09:02:33
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Now I have more than one variety I’m going to have to label them if I dig all of them up this autumn. Labelling is not a strong point of mine.

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Hi
Sound labelling is of vital importance in storing dahlias, propagation etc. I use a good marker pen. Also I use a Brother labeller and the printed labels then stuck onto garden plastic labels stay on throughout the winter,yet are easy to take of with a finger nail. The label cassettes are pricey thou, but this year I found them on ebay for around 2/3 of the usual retail price. Another benefit is that the labels look the business when selling plants at my club's plants sale. I prepare labels during the winter but inevitably Ihave too many of one name and not enough of another (such is life ha ha).
Regards, Paul

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Paul
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DahliaMan
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117 Posts Posted - 20/03/2010 : 09:08:37
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I’m glad I dug some at the begining of the winter, some of those have tiny shoots on them so I know I haven’t lost them all. There’s a huge learning curve going on down here with regard to growing Dahlias. I'm enjoying it

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Hi
Im from Cornwall so we are both in the far depths of the West Country. I dont like digging tubers up too early as they need to build up underground. I dig mine last week November or first week December (I know some here who dig them late September and this is way too early). I think too early digging ip is one reason for poor storage results. If you'd like to check my website (Paul's Dahlia Guide), then I have written up how I store my tubers and I have used this method for several years.
Trust htis helps.
Regards, Paul

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Paul
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Wildlife_friendly
Mrs

4074 Posts Posted - 20/03/2010 : 11:42:58
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Sound labelling is of vital importance in storing dahlias,

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From reading this thread I’d gathered that. I’ve also gathered that you are all very organised people. The chance of me having tubers, labels, pens and ties all in the same place at the same time is zero. While I’m off hunting down said items I will get sidetracked and by the time I remember what I was doing I won’t remember which tubers are which. I have a whole growing season to come up with a system that will work for me.

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If you'd like to check my website (Paul's Dahlia Guide), then I have written up how I store my tubers and I have used this method for several years.
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I have read the way you store tubers and I’m sure it’s a safe way but I don’t have that kind of space. Last year when I dug my tubers I laid them on newspaper in the conservatory to dry, that is as far as the process got, they are still there now but all came through the winter OK and are beginning to grow.

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grindle
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15010 Posts Posted - 20/03/2010 : 11:46:48
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I just stored mine upside down in gravel trays in the greenhouse WLF and didn't lose any


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[Tel]

We all have different ways of storing our dahlias WF, its a case of what ever works for you i say.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



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4074 Posts Posted - 20/03/2010 : 17:03:42
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So the tubers don’t need to be wrapped or covered? Mine stayed on the newspaper because I never got around to wrapping and storing them. If leaving them in the conservatory on paper does them no harm then it would be the best method for me. I have been concerned about having to check them every now and again once they are stored because I know I’ll never do it. If I have no choice but to look at them every time I go into the conservatory, they will get checked.

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6890 Posts Posted - 20/03/2010 : 17:21:34
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So the tubers don’t need to be wrapped or covered? Mine stayed on the newspaper because I never got around to wrapping and storing them. If leaving them in the conservatory on paper does them no harm then it would be the best method for me. I have been concerned about having to check them every now and again once they are stored because I know I’ll never do it. If I have no choice but to look at them every time I go into the conservatory, they will get checked.

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Has long as it is frost free and not to warm, it worked for you, you have still got them.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Wildlife_friendly
Mrs

4074 Posts Posted - 20/03/2010 : 17:24:18
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Potted up and shooting

The conservatory is more like a cold greenhouse which remains frost free.

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tel7772
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The Windmill dahlia has now got 3 shoots, i will grow them in pots and keep them in the garden.

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WoodfordDahlias6
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Terry,

I recall you saying you had bought some Citizen cuttings online ? They must be making a killing off of them, I bought 4 tubers from Geerlings, so far 35 cuttings with more nearly ready for the chop.

Dam they produce a lot of shoots, cant keep up with them !! Only wanted about a dozen quality cuttings plus a few for pot tubers for next year, at this rate its more like a dozen dozen.

Mark


Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 21/03/2010 : 16:56:54
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The Windmill dahlia has now got 3 shoots, i will grow them in pots and keep them in the garden.

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I have just got some tiny shoots starting on one of mine.

I’m still not completely clear on what an “eye” is. Is it the stick created by last years growth which comes out of a tuber?

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 21/03/2010 : 17:06:32
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The Windmill dahlia has now got 3 shoots, i will grow them in pots and keep them in the garden.

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I have just got some tiny shoots starting on one of mine.

I’m still not completely clear on what an “eye” is. Is it the stick created by last years growth which comes out of a tuber?

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An eye is the wart like growth attached to the main core of the dahlia where the new shoots will burst through and give you new growth.

Some tubers create a lot of eyes, hense lots of new shoots, others like Ryecroft Jan have very few eyes resulting in not many shoots.

In simple terms if you have a tuber with new growth, that came from an eye.


Mark


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 21/03/2010 : 18:26:53
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Terry,

I recall you saying you had bought some Citizen cuttings online ? They must be making a killing off of them, I bought 4 tubers from Geerlings, so far 35 cuttings with more nearly ready for the chop.

Dam they produce a lot of shoots, cant keep up with them !! Only wanted about a dozen quality cuttings plus a few for pot tubers for next year, at this rate its more like a dozen dozen.

Mark

I find Kenora Challenger also produces plenty of cutting material.
The Citizen plants should be delivered next month.

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tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 22/03/2010 : 19:50:50
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Mark, i am sure we would all like to see any pictures you take from any of the shows you enter this year.

PS it will save me having to take any.

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Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 22/03/2010 : 20:53:33
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Mark, i am sure we would all like to see any pictures you take from any of the shows you enter this year.

PS it will save me having to take any.

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Oh no it won't our Tel..

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 23/03/2010 : 00:41:13
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Mark, i am sure we would all like to see any pictures you take from any of the shows you enter this year.

PS it will save me having to take any.

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Yes, I can definitly do that Not necesarely of my own humble offerings but of anything that catches my eye.

New seedlings are always a good talking point. I believe John Digweed 'Marston' has some crackers out this year, so he tells me.


Mark


Wildlife_friendly
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The Windmill dahlia has now got 3 shoots, i will grow them in pots and keep them in the garden.

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I have just got some tiny shoots starting on one of mine.

I’m still not completely clear on what an “eye” is. Is it the stick created by last years growth which comes out of a tuber?

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An eye is the wart like growth attached to the main core of the dahlia where the new shoots will burst through and give you new growth.

Some tubers create a lot of eyes, hense lots of new shoots, others like Ryecroft Jan have very few eyes resulting in not many shoots.

In simple terms if you have a tuber with new growth, that came from an eye.


Mark

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Thanks Mark, I’m sorry you are talking to an absolute novice where Dahlias are concerned. I don’t know what “the main core” is.

I’ll explain my problem. Last year when I dug my Dahlias I laid them out to dry. This year I’ve potted up all the tubers which had last years stalks attached to them. One of the plants is a pile of tubers and a stalk, the stalk is no longer attached, the stalk could have been attached to any number of the tubers (there are a number of likely looking candidates). Tel explained that only tubers with “eyes” will grow.

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 23/03/2010 : 09:19:32
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[size=1][/quote]Thanks Mark, I’m sorry you are talking to an absolute novice where Dahlias are concerned. I don’t know what “the main core” is.

I’ll explain my problem. Last year when I dug my Dahlias I laid them out to dry. This year I’ve potted up all the tubers which had last years stalks attached to them. One of the plants is a pile of tubers and a stalk, the stalk is no longer attached, the stalk could have been attached to any number of the tubers (there are a number of likely looking candidates). Tel explained that only tubers with “eyes” will grow.


Its not a problem, quite often dahlias break away from the main stem, I would be tempted to put all the contents of this dismembered dahlia in a shallow tray of compost and place it near to a radiator to give it a little heat. This in turn will wake it up from its dormency. After a couple of weeks you should see some new growth coming through from possibly either the 'stalk' as you call it or possibly other parts of the jigsaw.

Those with new growth plant up as you would normally do with the shoots facing upwards and cover with a couple of inches of compost. In time these living segments of dahlia will produce new extensions of the tuber to form another clump.

Any bits that dont show no growth after say 4 - 6 weeks bin, as they probably wont produce any eyes and therefore no new shoots.

Tuber division is a simple way of increasing your stock of any given dahlia of which most wait until either they can see eyes or new growth before splitting them. When they are divided you try to share the number of shoots or eyes equilly between each divided piece where possible.

Personally if you dont know what it is or where it came from I would dustbin it It might well have been one you were not keen on and now you have lots of the same blighter.

Labelling is really important, how many times I have labelled up the wrong plant only to find my colour co-ordinated front garden isn't whatI planned during those quiet winter days.

Mark


Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 23/03/2010 : 17:22:27
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I do know what these tubers are and I want to save as many as possible. I only dug up a few plants in the autumn, the rest I covered with a thick mulch, unfortunately it wasn’t enough and I lost the lot.

I’ve potted them up and I shall see what happens.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 24/03/2010 : 09:40:54
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The 3 dahlia cuttings i have on the kitchen windowsill are growing but they have not taken root yet.

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 24/03/2010 : 17:24:23
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I do know what these tubers are and I want to save as many as possible. I only dug up a few plants in the autumn, the rest I covered with a thick mulch, unfortunately it wasn’t enough and I lost the lot.

I’ve potted them up and I shall see what happens.

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Spring growth is the test of all overwintered tubers, lets hope nature is kind to you.

I had just one Ken's Choice tuber from last year. A nice small red ball. Only now after 6 weeks has it began to spring into life. I only kept it to get a few cuttings for a family member.

Patience is sometimes what is needed, unfortunetly I dont have a lot of that, so the wife says.

Mark


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 24/03/2010 : 20:01:26
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One of the 2 Ruskin Respectable tubers is now showing signs of life the other is not, they must have been on the heated bench 8 weeks now.

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Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 24/03/2010 : 20:33:29
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At last the tubers of Barton Memory are showing signs of life

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 28/03/2010 : 10:59:40
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Took some more dahlia cuttings this morning, some varieties are coming thick and fast and others are slow.

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Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 28/03/2010 : 16:23:48
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I've found that too Tel.....Barton M is growing VERY slowly...it must know I've promised cuttings to a friend.

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 28/03/2010 : 21:29:26
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First Tray of cuttings are rooted after 3 weeks, they are now off the heat to allow room for others. I have taken about 200 so far.

Heat cables turned off on Tubers to slow them down a bit, only 'KENS CHOICE' are the only ones not to have produced large enough shoots for cuttings, wont be long though, about a week I think.

Finally got 8 nice cuttings of Oakwood Goldcrest on Saturday morning, well chuffed considering they are a sod to get started and no hollow ones. One tuber of them hasn't moved after 8 weeks. Not even hot water woke the confounded thing up, will give it 2 more weeks then in the bin it goes.

Mark


grindle
Mrs

15010 Posts Posted - 29/03/2010 : 06:22:26
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my saved ones are just starting to shoot now, I'm just glad they're alive


Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 29/03/2010 : 07:56:16
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First Tray of cuttings are rooted after 3 weeks, they are now off the heat to allow room for others. I have taken about 200 so far.

Heat cables turned off on Tubers to slow them down a bit, only 'KENS CHOICE' are the only ones not to have produced large enough shoots for cuttings, wont be long though, about a week I think.

Finally got 8 nice cuttings of Oakwood Goldcrest on Saturday morning, well chuffed considering they are a sod to get started and no hollow ones. One tuber of them hasn't moved after 8 weeks. Not even hot water woke the confounded thing up, will give it 2 more weeks then in the bin it goes.

Mark

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Have you tried a weak feed Mark? I remember Tel or Dave Bates suggesting this for tubers that were slow to shoot

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 29/03/2010 : 11:22:43
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It must have been Dave Bates who suggested the week feed.
I have tried the hot water treatment, on a tuber last year it did not shock it into growth though.

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6890 Posts Posted - 29/03/2010 : 15:13:05
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Not growing any dahlia seedlings this season, i have 4 from last season that i have managed to keep over winter, will plant them when the time is right and see how they look this year.

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111 Posts Posted - 29/03/2010 : 20:15:18
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It must have been Dave Bates who suggested the week feed.
I have tried the hot water treatment, on a tuber last year it did not shock it into growth though.

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In my potting mix that goes in the tuber trays I use Vitax Q4 just to give them a kick up the backside. Plus I also soaked the compost with seaweed growth stimulent prior to setting them up as per Paul's recommendations.

Strange the other 3 tubers I had of Oakwood Goldcrest which were from the same supplier are doing great. Quality cuttings,steady growth, sturdy stems of which no hollow ones.

Oh well thats the breaks I guess, I might just pot it up and see if it does produce anything ? If I'm lucky and it does, the neighbour 2 doors up can have it. It will no dought be too late for any shows I am doing this year and if carries the late gene onto its offspring then it is something I dont need.

Mark


WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 29/03/2010 : 20:32:14
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Charlie Two and Alf's Mascot doing well, about a dozen cuttings of each.

Got some quality Charlie Two 'Yellow' plants off Bob Turnbull from Sunderland last year, so its good that their offspring are following the same path.

I like the mediums especially these two, stocky plants, strong stems and the blooms stay true for a good while.

Doesn't seem to be a lot of new mediums coming through at the moment, only avoca amanda, tried it last year, blooms are a bit clockface for me and the stems are pretty long even when not covered.

Also gave lakeland Autumn a go, with not good results so they got binned, only plus on that one was it produced massive tubers. Hillcrest Kismet was Ok if you like heavily reflexed blooms, I'm not keen, but it's a good one for the garden.

Trengrove Millenium is still an option, I have got 6 cuttings of this also as backup.

Mark


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 29/03/2010 : 20:47:18
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I find BJ Beauty can be clock faced, i have had to split cane them a few times, not grown many medium decs, i only have three mediums, besides BJ Beauty i have Charlie Two and Trengrove Millenium i find this one can mark easily.

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4074 Posts Posted - 30/03/2010 : 09:04:00
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I’ve got quite a number of shoots appearing now, they are not large enough for cuttings yet. Can cuttings taken this year be planted in the garden or do they need to be grown on for a season first?

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 30/03/2010 : 12:22:13
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I’ve got quite a number of shoots appearing now, they are not large enough for cuttings yet. Can cuttings taken this year be planted in the garden or do they need to be grown on for a season first?

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Yes they can be planted out this year and they will flower this season. I pot on the cuttings into 3in pots then if need be into 5in pots before planting out, up here i plant out the last weekend in May, you may be earlier than that down there.
Remember slugs love young dahlia plants.

All my show ones are grown from this years cuttings.

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tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 30/03/2010 : 13:28:53
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Trays of dahlias all over the place now.








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I’ve got quite a number of shoots appearing now, they are not large enough for cuttings yet. Can cuttings taken this year be planted in the garden or do they need to be grown on for a season first?

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Yes they can be planted out this year and they will flower this season. I pot on the cuttings into 3in pots then if need be into 5in pots before planting out, up here i plant out the last weekend in May, you may be earlier than that down there.
Remember slugs love young dahlia plants.

All my show ones are grown from this years cuttings.

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I am south midlands so planting out is 3rd weekend in May depending on the weather. If its really wet, I will wait a week. Nout like a bit of sun on your back and dahlias are no different.

If the ground is water logged or very wet they hate it, causes loads of chlorosis problems. Overwatering cuttings has the same effect.

My first year growing dahlias was an experience, too much watering, yellow leaves, rotting tubers etc etc, you learn real quick in this game.

On the other hand not enough water to mature plants causes back petal wilt on the blooms, I have had some of that too in the early years.


Mark


pennyron
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11738 Posts Posted - 30/03/2010 : 15:43:43
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Tel, do you have a secretary to write out all those labels ?


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 30/03/2010 : 17:02:52
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Tel, do you have a secretary to write out all those labels ?

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I wish Ron.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 30/03/2010 : 17:06:26
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I’ve got quite a number of shoots appearing now, they are not large enough for cuttings yet. Can cuttings taken this year be planted in the garden or do they need to be grown on for a season first?

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Yes they can be planted out this year and they will flower this season. I pot on the cuttings into 3in pots then if need be into 5in pots before planting out, up here i plant out the last weekend in May, you may be earlier than that down there.
Remember slugs love young dahlia plants.

All my show ones are grown from this years cuttings.

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I am south midlands so planting out is 3rd weekend in May depending on the weather. If its really wet, I will wait a week. Nout like a bit of sun on your back and dahlias are no different.

If the ground is water logged or very wet they hate it, causes loads of chlorosis problems. Overwatering cuttings has the same effect.

My first year growing dahlias was an experience, too much watering, yellow leaves, rotting tubers etc etc, you learn real quick in this game.

On the other hand not enough water to mature plants causes back petal wilt on the blooms, I have had some of that too in the early years.


Mark

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There is nothing to growing dahlias for showing Mark, just stick em in the ground and hope for the best.lol.

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 30/03/2010 : 18:13:32
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I’m rather pleased with this, it’s the pile of bits I had left over when I potted up my Bishop of Landaff. I didn’t want to throw them away in case they would grow, and one is.


These are my largest shoots, should I let them grow a bit more?


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6890 Posts Posted - 30/03/2010 : 19:22:44
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The shoots on the pic, look a little to thick to root easily but give them ago, take the cuttings under the bottom leaf joints. The following shoots around the area you took the cuttings from will be easier to root.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 30/03/2010 : 19:26:44
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I wish i could put an arrow on some of my pics it would make it easier to explain somethings.

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longs
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436 Posts Posted - 30/03/2010 : 22:48:14
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I am south midlands so planting out is 3rd weekend in May

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I never used to plant out till the first weekend in June unless the first weekend was the 1st, then it would be the second weekend.

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111 Posts Posted - 31/03/2010 : 09:05:32
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[/quote]

There is nothing to growing dahlias for showing Mark, just stick em in the ground and hope for the best.lol.
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Yes, the fairies feed them, water them, disbud, de-branch, stake,put up covers, spray for bugs, spray for disease, pick the earwigs out and most of all chase the neighbours cats away before they crap in the beds encouraging every fly to dirt on the blooms the day before the show.

As you said Tel, nothing to it. 'NOT'


Mark


Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 31/03/2010 : 11:30:32
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Our Tel has a dry wit Mark

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 31/03/2010 : 14:45:24
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I wish i could put an arrow on some of my pics it would make it easier to explain somethings.

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It's all done in Photoshop.

If the shoots are too thick for cuttings would it be better to leave them to grow? Your post sounds like I would get a bushier plant if I cut them anyway, is this right?

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3101 Posts Posted - 31/03/2010 : 18:30:40
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Anyone managed to procure any tubers of the Hy-Scent series mentioned a year or two ago? I would love to know if they really are strongly scented or not. They have made quite a stir whenever shown at shows etc.


Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 31/03/2010 : 18:34:12
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Not a sniff of any Steve.....I have a catalogue from a grower which, I'm sure had a couple of scented ones......will try and remember to fish it out and let you know

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 31/03/2010 : 19:37:25
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I wish i could put an arrow on some of my pics it would make it easier to explain somethings.

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It's all done in Photoshop.

If the shoots are too thick for cuttings would it be better to leave them to grow? Your post sounds like I would get a bushier plant if I cut them anyway, is this right?

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You can just see in this pic, where i have cut the first shoot off and now there are others starting to grow around the one i cut off.


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pennyron
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11738 Posts Posted - 31/03/2010 : 19:45:56
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Tel, You don't need PS, if you like I'll send you a couple of simple gadgets that will do this. The naughty squirrel was eating the petals.




Wildlife_friendly
Mrs

4074 Posts Posted - 01/04/2010 : 15:42:10
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I’ve got these shoots which are thinner, are these a better size for cuttings?

I’m still not completely sure where to cut them off, I’ve put white lines where I think they should be cut, am I right?





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111 Posts Posted - 01/04/2010 : 17:53:09
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Anyone managed to procure any tubers of the Hy-Scent series mentioned a year or two ago? I would love to know if they really are strongly scented or not. They have made quite a stir whenever shown at shows etc.

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The bloke you should contact is Jack Gott, he's a big grower of border and single flowered dahlias. Any dahlia that has scent he would know about it.

www.jrg-dahlias.co.uk/

Mark




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Some of us know this supplier

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I have bought some tubers from him in past years, quality stuff !! and reasonably priced considering what Hall's charge for tiny little pot tubers that were grown in 3 inch restricted pots.

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6890 Posts Posted - 02/04/2010 : 14:51:03
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I’ve got these shoots which are thinner, are these a better size for cuttings?

I’m still not completely sure where to cut them off, I’ve put white lines where I think they should be cut, am I right?





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If you take the cutting where your line is without cutting into the tuber itself, you will have more shoots growing from that point.
When you think you have enough cuttings, you can plant the tuber as well.

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436 Posts Posted - 02/04/2010 : 21:14:16
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As I've posted before, I would take the cutting above those small leaves and let two new breaks appear in the leaf axils. Take those as cuttings then, if needed, cut further down.

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117 Posts Posted - 03/04/2010 : 08:07:49
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Hi everyone
I also would cut just above that first pair of leaves shown in pic. As for when to do it depends. If you want to try and root the shoots shown in photo then let them develop more un til there is say a pair of leaves plus a developing pair. If they are deemed too thick and difficult to root (particularly if the centre of the shoot is hollow) then they could be cut now and destroyed, allowing enough time for the emerging shoots to develop.
Things are moving on a pace now and I will taking more cuttings tomorrow (Sunday) and finally the following Sunday.
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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 04/04/2010 : 09:26:40
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Knocked these out this morning, the cuttings were taken on the 3rd March and left in the kitchen.
After 32 days only one has started to root and the root is about a quarter of an inch long, with bottom heat these would have rooted at least a fornight ago.

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 04/04/2010 : 15:53:04
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That was a useful exercise then. Worth trying if no propagator available and you only what a few cuttings and are not in a particular hurry for them

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 04/04/2010 : 19:31:16
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It works if you have the patience to wait that long, i do not know how much longer they will be, before they can be potted up.

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 05/04/2010 : 18:49:56
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Just currious to know what the experienced growers do with their propagated tubers after they are finished taking cuttings.

I hope to wind up taking cuttings by next weekend with a few varieties that have been slow two weeks later.

Most varieties dont produce from tubers as good as blooms compared to cuttings so is it worth keeping them when you have adaquate stock for this growing season.

I cant see me having enough room for 60 plus tubers, especially as they will produce multiple stemmed plants.

Mark


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 05/04/2010 : 20:58:47
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I usually pot them up when i have finished with them and give them away to family or people on the allotments.
I have on occasions when i have had not enough cuttings of a variety
Planted the tubers and reduced the resulting stems down to one thick one by pulling the others off.
I cannot say i have noticed any difference between the blooms from a cutting or the tuber that had been reduced to one stem, then grown in the same way as my cuttings.

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 09/04/2010 : 09:05:47
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This is my Dahlia 'Windmill'. Should the leaves be going that yellow colour?


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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 09/04/2010 : 14:47:33
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Oooooh heck WF....they don't look too good..not sure why unless they have got chilled....or sprayed I'm sure Tel will know....

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 09/04/2010 : 18:25:40
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They don't actually look as bad as they do in the photo but they are going yellow. They are in the conservatory with all my others which look fine.

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 09/04/2010 : 20:04:43
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Oh right...will.be interesting to hear what Tel has to say.....where are these men when you need them....tsk.....lol

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 09/04/2010 : 20:10:35
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That’s just what I was thinking Lou.

I know Tel bought a Windmill Dahlia too.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 09/04/2010 : 20:18:43
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Well i do not know where all the men are ladies, you will just have to make do with me.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 09/04/2010 : 20:28:21
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My Windmill dahlia is green but it is only 2in high
If it has a virus it is not one i know off.
Has it been kept lower than 50 degrees?
If it is not suffering from cold or over watering,you have two choices WLF see if it grows out of it or destroy it.
But do not compost it.

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 10/04/2010 : 09:29:29
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It’s in the equivalent to a cold greenhouse, it’s warm during the day but does get cold at night. Apart from the edges of the leaves it is growing well and looks healthy.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 10/04/2010 : 09:50:17
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In that case i would keep it, keep us informed on it's progress.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 10/04/2010 : 09:55:52
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After 38 days the cuttings i had on the kitchen windowsill two have rooted, one has not.

The one on the left of the pic has the best roots,the one in the middle is ok and the one on the right has not rooted.
The one with the best roots on the left was the thinnest cutting, the one on the right was the thickest cutting.


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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 10/04/2010 : 10:06:22
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This is my Dahlia 'Windmill'. Should the leaves be going that yellow colour?


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I agree with tel, it does not look like a virus. However past experience tells me with bagged tuber purchases they can go yellow after the 1st shoots emerge. It will probably correct itself when in direct sunlight and gets its chlorophyll pumping.

Is the tuber wet or waterlogged ? it doesn't look like chlorosis !! If it excessively wet repot it with new compost and only water once in a while until its ready to go out in the garden. Tubers dont need excessive amounts of water. Thats why they have big fat roots, this is their food and moisture supply.

My advise is to feed it with a treatment of sequested iron, this in turn will give it a boost and help aid its ability to produce chlorophyll.

Sequested iron can be bought at any garden centre.Its quite quick acting, so you should see an immediate difference within 2 days.

If this fails and its colour doesn't change say after a couple of weeks, get rid of it.


Mark


Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 10/04/2010 : 16:47:42
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After 38 days the cuttings i had on the kitchen windowsill two have rooted, one has not.

The one on the left of the pic has the best roots,the one in the middle is ok and the one on the right has not rooted.
The one with the best roots on the left was the thinnest cutting, the one on the right was the thickest cutting.


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This is a super example of a "master class" Tel.......thank you..
I am going to re-look at some cuttings I have taken that are "dragging their feet"....I have more cuttings material....so you know what I will be doing tomorrow

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 10/04/2010 : 16:49:06
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It’s in the equivalent to a cold greenhouse, it’s warm during the day but does get cold at night. Apart from the edges of the leaves it is growing well and looks healthy.

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So in effect...it is suffering from a wide range of temperatures....glad its not a virus....

"Keep the Faith".....

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DahliaMan
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117 Posts Posted - 11/04/2010 : 16:00:10
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Hello all
Regards cuttings that have rooted but so little that there is a danger they cannot be potted on - partially fill say a drinking cup with eater and a drop of Maxicrop Seaweed Growth Stimulant and leave the cutting in this fpr a week and the little root will rocket away.

Regards plants with yellow leaves - could be magnesium defiency so I always from the start water in my dahlias using a teaspoon of Epsom Salts to a gallon water and this will help.

Regards, Paul

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WoodfordDahlias6
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Question for Paul !!

Oakwood Goldcrest To date I have managed to get about 14 cuttings, however they are slow to root, any advise as you grow them.

Mark


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[Tel]

Are the cuttings to thick Mark? or is it just that variety that is slow to root.

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4074 Posts Posted - 12/04/2010 : 20:48:34
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Do all Dahlias grow tubers? I was given some bedding Dahlias that were grown from seed, I was told to treat them as annuals.

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6890 Posts Posted - 12/04/2010 : 20:51:26
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Just like any dahlia WF they will grow a tuber and you keep it just like any other dahlia. You can take cuttings from it next year or now if you wish. hope that helps.

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 13/04/2010 : 00:36:12
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Are the cuttings to thick Mark? or is it just that variety that is slow to root.

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I'm pretty sure its the variety, rumour has it they are a right sod to propagate.

The stems on the cuttings are a reasonable size but not too thick, all were solid when I took the cuttings, no hollow ones.


Mark


WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 13/04/2010 : 00:41:54
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quote:
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Do all Dahlias grow tubers? I was given some bedding Dahlias that were grown from seed, I was told to treat them as annuals.

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Some are better tuber producers than others, Alan Snowfire a white Medium Semi Cactus produces big tubers, whereas a pom called 'Rhonda' produces lousy tubers and is best left in the ground or in a pot for several years.

Mark


DahliaMan
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117 Posts Posted - 13/04/2010 : 19:19:41
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

Question for Paul !!

Oakwood Goldcrest To date I have managed to get about 14 cuttings, however they are slow to root, any advise as you grow them.

Mark

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Hi Mark
I'd be interested to know how many tubers you propagated from in attaining 14 cuttings because O.Goldcrest is very shy. In fact last year I grew 3 plants from split tuber only. As for growing them on assuming you mean stopping etc then here in Cornwall I carried out the following last year:
Planting - 23rd May
Stopping: 6th June
Debranching: 5th July (4 up)
Disbudding: Remove wings buds + all growth

Trust this helps.

Thanks, Paul


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from Cornwall, South West England



WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 14/04/2010 : 00:43:32
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Originally posted by DahliaMan


quote:
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

Question for Paul !!

Oakwood Goldcrest To date I have managed to get about 14 cuttings, however they are slow to root, any advise as you grow them.

Mark

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Hi Mark
I'd be interested to know how many tubers you propagated from in attaining 14 cuttings because O.Goldcrest is very shy. In fact last year I grew 3 plants from split tuber only. As for growing them on assuming you mean stopping etc then here in Cornwall I carried out the following last year:
Planting - 23rd May
Stopping: 6th June
Debranching: 5th July (4 up)
Disbudding: Remove wings buds + all growth

Trust this helps.

Thanks, Paul




Thanks for the info Paul, the 14 cuttings were from 4 tubers of which one didn't produce anything, so it was from only 3.

These were purchased from Geerlings 'Holland' good sized pot tubers.

Started on the heat cables on Jan 24th, 1st cutting March 18th.

To date of the 14 cuttings about half have rooted,the others while growing havn't properly rooted up yet.

I will probably grow another 3 plants from the tubers and reduce to one stem,just for security stock in case any of the others fail.

Mark


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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 14/04/2010 : 13:16:39
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Paul,Mark, have either of you grown Oreti Bliss small cactus, i bought one plant of this variety last year and just let it do its own thing, because i was just after the tuber.
I have 10 cuttings so far from it this year, i was wondering as i have not grown this one before, how many up it should be grown, i was thinking of growing some 5 up and the others 6 up.
Any suggestions please.

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 14/04/2010 : 16:22:27
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Originally posted by tel7772

Paul,Mark, have either of you grown Oreti Bliss small cactus, i bought one plant of this variety last year and just let it do its own thing, because i was just after the tuber.
I have 10 cuttings so far from it this year, i was wondering as i have not grown this one before, how many up it should be grown, i was thinking of growing some 5 up and the others 6 up.
Any suggestions please.

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Hi tel,

No I havn't grown that one, I recall it won a big trial award a few years ago.

I'd be tempted to grow it more up than 5-6, 8 ish would be my starting point,its better to be a bit on the smaller side rather than oversized.

Paul is probably a better person to ask, he likes the small cactus varieties.

Try this link on Ebay, this guy is selling Oreti Bliss plants, I would have thought he is an exhibitor as all his listings are show varieties, not the average duff dahlias that you normally find on Ebay.

cgi.ebay.co.uk/Exhibition-Dahlia-Plants-ORETI-BLISS_W0QQitemZ150430494626QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxq20100406?IMSfp=TL100406143002r29714


Mark


DahliaMan
Mr

117 Posts Posted - 14/04/2010 : 21:14:20
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quote:
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Originally posted by tel7772

Paul,Mark, have either of you grown Oreti Bliss small cactus, i bought one plant of this variety last year and just let it do its own thing, because i was just after the tuber.
I have 10 cuttings so far from it this year, i was wondering as i have not grown this one before, how many up it should be grown, i was thinking of growing some 5 up and the others 6 up.
Any suggestions please.

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Hi Tel
Afraid I an of no help re O.Bliss having never grown it. However, my club has a meeting on 25th April and I know one guy has grown it and he's a reputable grower/exhibitor. I'll pick his brains and have set a 'task' in Outlook email to remind me.
I'll let you know via the Forum.
Regards, Paul

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from Cornwall, South West England



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 16/04/2010 : 20:09:24
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Thanks for that Mark, i will keep that in mind if Paul cannot get an answer for me.

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derekbrooks
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2530 Posts Posted - 17/04/2010 : 22:49:33
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I have written something about dahlias on my "Derek's diary" page ,if you would like to have a look.


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 19/04/2010 : 10:08:12
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Taken all the cuttings i will need for this season, except for the 2 festival, small dec varieties, they have been very slow to produce cuttings for me this year.

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 19/04/2010 : 15:26:42
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Yes, all my cuttings finished as well.

Have done reasonably well with the exception of Sir Alf Ransey, only just covered my needs '6 Plants' which is good enough. It just limits my selection of the strongest plants.

Potting up well on its way, only the very youngest of cuttings left. This year its Bullrush No 2 & No 3 at half and half. South midlands is heavy clay soil, so No 3 gives the roots a bit of bite.

Did a deal with the garden nursery near me, the owners wife gets plants for her garden, I get free compost. Will be dropping her plants off tomorrow, she likes a mix of all colours and varieties, so it helps me get rid of all odds and sods bar a few spares in case any fail.

No sign of any rain, hate to say it but we need some, it doesn't take long for cracks to start appearing. Ruddy watering her we go again.

Mark




Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 19/04/2010 : 15:56:21
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quote:
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Originally posted by tel7772

Taken all the cuttings i will need for this season, except for the 2 festival, small dec varieties, they have been very slow to produce cuttings for me this year.

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I may be able to help you out with these Tel

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 19/04/2010 : 19:30:46
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Originally posted by Loublou


quote:
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Originally posted by tel7772

Taken all the cuttings i will need for this season, except for the 2 festival, small dec varieties, they have been very slow to produce cuttings for me this year.

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I may be able to help you out with these Tel

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Thanks for your kind offer Lou, but i should be ok the cuttings are coming it is they are a couple of weeks behind the rest.
This could be a blessing in disguise though, for last year they started to flower a couple of weeks too early, maybe this time they will be on time for Harrogate.
In the meantime i have plenty of other ammunition for other shows before Harrogate.
I could really do with another allotment, the dahlia allotment is not large enough.

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Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 19/04/2010 : 21:02:22
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Originally posted by tel7772


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Originally posted by Loublou


quote:
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Originally posted by tel7772

Taken all the cuttings i will need for this season, except for the 2 festival, small dec varieties, they have been very slow to produce cuttings for me this year.

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I may be able to help you out with these Tel

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Thanks for your kind offer Lou, but i should be ok the cuttings are coming it is they are a couple of weeks behind the rest.
This could be a blessing in disguise though, for last year they started to flower a couple of weeks too early, maybe this time they will be on time for Harrogate.
In the meantime i have plenty of other ammunition for other shows before Harrogate.
I could really do with another allotment, the dahlia allotment is not large enough.

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Afraid I can't help with that Tel......

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 24/04/2010 : 09:53:47
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Not much action on this board of late.

I think everyone is busy on their gardens and in their Greenhouses ? just come in from pressure washing the driveway off.

If I knew how to post images on here I might have some interesting pics to show you all.

Last lot of cuttings to pot up later this week. Then the real hard work begins !!

Mark


Cherry
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13929 Posts Posted - 24/04/2010 : 15:43:36
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Woodford go to Forum Help near the foot of all the topics and look up How To, then look for 'How to post a pic using "Tinypic"' which is near to the top. We would love to see your pics.


Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 24/04/2010 : 17:54:58
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I potted up both of my cuttings today, I only took two and both have a healthy root system on them. I’m feeling rather proud.

How does that old saying go "Little things please little minds"

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 24/04/2010 : 20:27:35
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Not at all Wf....well done you

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DahliaMan
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117 Posts Posted - 25/04/2010 : 17:53:55
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Hello Tel
RE: Oretti Bliss
I asked at my club's dahlia meeting today wether Bliss needed any special growing requirements in terms of stopping/debranching etc. I was told that it is 'bog standard' as a grower so if I was growing it here in Cornwall I think I would as a first year trial go:
Stopping: Late June
Debranching: 8 up
Disbudding: remove wing buds plus next 3 pairs down

Hope this helps.
Regards, Paul

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 25/04/2010 : 19:46:38
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We have Blast off:





Finally sussed out how to post images on this forum,


Mark


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25134 Posts Posted - 25/04/2010 : 19:47:58
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Yay well done Mark, good picture too

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In Ilkeston


Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 25/04/2010 : 20:01:05
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Well done Mark....its easy when you know how.....lovely colour bloom....a varietal name would help

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[Tel]

Rooted dahlia cuttings starting to arrive now....the growers have had the same problems we have had with the bad winter and low light levels. Having said that, the quality of the young plants is pretty good, considering

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111 Posts Posted - 28/04/2010 : 16:22:49
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Rooted dahlia cuttings starting to arrive now....the growers have had the same problems we have had with the bad winter and low light levels. Having said that, the quality of the young plants is pretty good, considering

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Yes they are all struggling, most of the big boys have lost thousands of plants.

Without mentioning any names one who was at my house last night dropping some plants off is calling it a day after this year. 10 years work lost through one bad season.

My own plants look pretty good, all the more reason to propagate your own. On a small scale you can control the adverse weather conditions and adjust accordingly.

I have been let down on Rose and Pink Jupiter, kenora Valentine and a few other giants.

I had no tuber stock to grow from so had to buy them in, next year will be different. So apart from the odd new variety I hope to be self suficiant in future.

Mark


Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 28/04/2010 : 17:58:56
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6


quote:
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Rooted dahlia cuttings starting to arrive now....the growers have had the same problems we have had with the bad winter and low light levels. Having said that, the quality of the young plants is pretty good, considering

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Yes they are all struggling, most of the big boys have lost thousands of plants.

Without mentioning any names one who was at my house last night dropping some plants off is calling it a day after this year. 10 years work lost through one bad season.

My own plants look pretty good, all the more reason to propagate your own. On a small scale you can control the adverse weather conditions and adjust accordingly.

I have been let down on Rose and Pink Jupiter, kenora Valentine and a few other giants.

I had no tuber stock to grow from so had to buy them in, next year will be different. So apart from the odd new variety I hope to be self suficiant in future.

Mark

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That is such a shame Mark.....they must be heartbroken

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 28/04/2010 : 22:06:30
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I planted all mine out today, the chance of a frost down here now is very slim.

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111 Posts Posted - 29/04/2010 : 10:30:53
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I planted all mine out today, the chance of a frost down here now is very slim.

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You are braver than me, 3rd week in May is my earliest benchmark, but more like spring bank holiday weekend when I have the time to do the lot in one go.

No dought where the slugs will be heading for down your neck of the woods.

Mark




tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 29/04/2010 : 15:56:18
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Originally posted by DahliaMan

Hello Tel
RE: Oretti Bliss
I asked at my club's dahlia meeting today wether Bliss needed any special growing requirements in terms of stopping/debranching etc. I was told that it is 'bog standard' as a grower so if I was growing it here in Cornwall I think I would as a first year trial go:
Stopping: Late June
Debranching: 8 up
Disbudding: remove wing buds plus next 3 pairs down

Hope this helps.
Regards, Paul

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Thanks for the Information Paul, you have saved me a season on a learning curve with Oreti Bliss now, cheers.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 29/04/2010 : 15:58:08
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I planted all mine out today, the chance of a frost down here now is very slim.

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Crumbs....I hope so WF.....Mine won't go in until the first week of June...or thereabouts

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 29/04/2010 : 15:59:25
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One for Tel,

April Heather 'Collerette' growing in my garden 2 years ago:




Mark

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I lost mine this year Mark, thanks for rubbing it in mate.

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 29/04/2010 : 16:06:43
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One for Tel,

April Heather 'Collerette' growing in my garden 2 years ago:




Mark

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I lost mine this year Mark, thanks for rubbing it in mate.

Sorry tel, if I still grew it i would sort you out with a few cuttings of it. Its well different isn't it !!

Only trouble with any collerette, the flowers dont last very long and the earwigs love em. 'munch, munch'

Mark

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Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 29/04/2010 : 17:17:41
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Oh dear Mark.....thats "pouring oil on troubled water"...
Its a shame 'cos it is a lovely bloom..
Don't talk about earwigs.....they love vaseline here

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 29/04/2010 : 19:47:20
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Oh dear Mark.....thats "pouring oil on troubled water"...
Its a shame 'cos it is a lovely bloom..
Don't talk about earwigs.....they love vaseline here

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Take no notice Mark, i get used to my pupils been cheeky.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 29/04/2010 : 19:52:43
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Originally posted by tel7772


quote:
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Originally posted by Loublou

Oh dear Mark.....thats "pouring oil on troubled water"...
Its a shame 'cos it is a lovely bloom..
Don't talk about earwigs.....they love vaseline here

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Take no notice Mark, i get used to my pupils been cheeky.

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Nout wrong with a bit of cheek, last thing we want is some stuffy old forum.

Mark


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 29/04/2010 : 19:58:13
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6


quote:
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Originally posted by tel7772


quote:
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Originally posted by Loublou

Oh dear Mark.....thats "pouring oil on troubled water"...
Its a shame 'cos it is a lovely bloom..
Don't talk about earwigs.....they love vaseline here

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Take no notice Mark, i get used to my pupils been cheeky.

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Don't tell Lou that, i have enough problems keeping that girl in line.

Nout wrong with a bit of cheek, last thing we want is some stuffy old forum.

Mark

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Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 29/04/2010 : 20:12:38
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I'm watching you two....less your lip or I'll get my rolling pin out....lol

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 30/04/2010 : 08:33:38
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I'm watching you two....less your lip or I'll get my rolling pin out....lol

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Look out Tel, we have an Emily Pankhurst / Nora Batty on the board




Ent she a stunnner !!




steve
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25134 Posts Posted - 30/04/2010 : 12:33:38
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Was that taken at Alnwick Lou?

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In Ilkeston


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 30/04/2010 : 19:37:08
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The dahlia i ordered yesterday, Embrace.


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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 01/05/2010 : 08:57:38
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Was that taken at Alnwick Lou?

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tsk.....

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 01/05/2010 : 08:58:21
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The dahlia i ordered yesterday, Embrace.


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Isn't she gorgeous......

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[Tel]

I still have 123 cuttings that have not taken root yet, next weekend what has not rooted will be on the compost heap.
Will have to get on and sort the plants out into their own groups, at the moment they are all mixed together.

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 02/05/2010 : 21:07:09
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Glad I'm not the only one with unrooted cuttings...don't worry Tel....they are not all yours

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derekbrooks
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2530 Posts Posted - 02/05/2010 : 23:31:38
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Told you a few weeks ago that a dahlia showing friend was going to bring me some White Charlie Two and he wanted some J.Amy off me.He came to our hut yesterday and we swopped our plants.He told me that he was growing 180 giants to enter the 12 giant class at the National which has to be 12 different varieties.
Hoping to start potting mine into 5 inch pots this week as many are getting pot bound in their 3 and a half inch.


WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 03/05/2010 : 14:15:03
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The dahlia i ordered yesterday, Embrace.


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Very nice, I think the small cactus class is crying out for a new hot shot. The kiwis although still popular are getting a touch boring.

Mark


WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 03/05/2010 : 14:22:10
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Originally posted by tel7772

I still have 123 cuttings that have not taken root yet, next weekend what has not rooted will be on the compost heap.
Will have to get on and sort the plants out into their own groups, at the moment they are all mixed together.

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It seems that all cuttings taken early doors have done well, the later ones have stalled in their progress. Mine are all in 12 cm square pots and after this weekend have bolted away.

Oakwood Goldcrest is doing well, 12 good plants which is what I aimed for and all making steady growth. 3 weeks ago I was a bit concerned as they were slow.

My first year growing Byton Royal Velvet, growing well but the stems look a little spindly. Not sure if this is normal ?

Mark


Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 03/05/2010 : 16:10:50
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6


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Originally posted by tel7772

The dahlia i ordered yesterday, Embrace.


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Very nice, I think the small cactus class is crying out for a new hot shot. The kiwis although still popular are getting a touch boring.

Mark

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Shame you think that Mark......Some of us are growing them for only the second time and think they are "the bees knees".....

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 03/05/2010 : 19:46:35
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Originally posted by derekbrooks

Told you a few weeks ago that a dahlia showing friend was going to bring me some White Charlie Two and he wanted some J.Amy off me.He came to our hut yesterday and we swopped our plants.He told me that he was growing 180 giants to enter the 12 giant class at the National which has to be 12 different varieties.
Hoping to start potting mine into 5 inch pots this week as many are getting pot bound in their 3 and a half inch.

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He will have 3 very good giant dec growers to beat there Derek, A.Kingdon from Barnstable, D.Mosley from Thurlston and J.Jack from Airdrie. I wish him all the best for the National.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 03/05/2010 : 19:50:19
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I agree Mark the kiwi's have had it all their own way for too long.
But what new variety will knock them off their perch i do not know, they may dominate for a few more years yet, until then they will still be my number one.

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Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 03/05/2010 : 19:58:56
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Originally posted by tel7772


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Originally posted by derekbrooks

Told you a few weeks ago that a dahlia showing friend was going to bring me some White Charlie Two and he wanted some J.Amy off me.He came to our hut yesterday and we swopped our plants.He told me that he was growing 180 giants to enter the 12 giant class at the National which has to be 12 different varieties.
Hoping to start potting mine into 5 inch pots this week as many are getting pot bound in their 3 and a half inch.

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He will have 3 very good giant dec growers to beat there Derek, A.Kingdon from Barnstable, D.Mosley from Thurlston and J.Jack from Airdrie. I wish him all the best for the National.

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That class is quite a challenge....the best of luck to him

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 03/05/2010 : 19:59:48
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Originally posted by tel7772

I agree Mark the kiwi's have had it all their own way for too long.
But what new variety will knock them off their perch i do not know, they may dominate for a few more years yet, until then they will still be my number one.

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Hurrah

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derekbrooks
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2530 Posts Posted - 03/05/2010 : 22:58:55
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Forgot to mention yesterday that the friend I was telling you about also brought me some Winholme Diane and he asked me for some Jomanda.I have sorted some out for him today.Since yesterday I have been wondering why he wanted the J.Amy off me.I asked him what varieties he has got for this class of 12 giants and of course he mentioned Sir Alf,Bryn Terfel,Alvas Supreme and its sport and several more.These are all decoratives so I wouldn,t have thought he could show J.Amy which is a cactus along with these decs.I will have to ask him to check how the class is worded.
I have another friend accross the road who looks after my greenhouses any time I am away.He has only been growing dahlias for 2 years.He came accross this morning saying that all his tubers have rotted.I will be able to fix him up with some as I have far more than I need.


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 04/05/2010 : 16:54:07
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Originally posted by derekbrooks

Forgot to mention yesterday that the friend I was telling you about also brought me some Winholme Diane and he asked me for some Jomanda.I have sorted some out for him today.Since yesterday I have been wondering why he wanted the J.Amy off me.I asked him what varieties he has got for this class of 12 giants and of course he mentioned Sir Alf,Bryn Terfel,Alvas Supreme and its sport and several more.These are all decoratives so I wouldn,t have thought he could show J.Amy which is a cactus along with these decs.I will have to ask him to check how the class is worded.
I have another friend accross the road who looks after my greenhouses any time I am away.He has only been growing dahlias for 2 years.He came accross this morning saying that all his tubers have rotted.I will be able to fix him up with some as I have far more than I need.

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The schedule says Giant Decoratives, 12 blooms, 12 distinct cultivars.
Each cultivar in one vase.

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 05/05/2010 : 08:02:31
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I have to ask the question which has been puzzling me for quite some time.

You start off with a large healthy tuber and take cuttings from it, when you have all the cuttings you need you discard the original tuber. Won’t the original tuber grow good flowers too?

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 05/05/2010 : 19:31:48
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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly

I have to ask the question which has been puzzling me for quite some time.

You start off with a large healthy tuber and take cuttings from it, when you have all the cuttings you need you discard the original tuber. Won’t the original tuber grow good flowers too?

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I do not discard any tubers really, if i am short on a variety i plant the tuber has well.
If i have enough plants of a variety i give the tubers away.
So plant your tuber and enjoy your flowers.

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sweetpea
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8797 Posts Posted - 05/05/2010 : 19:47:52
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I have to ask the question which has been puzzling me for quite some time.

You start off with a large healthy tuber and take cuttings from it, when you have all the cuttings you need you discard the original tuber. Won’t the original tuber grow good flowers too?
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I trust Tel will agree here. Although good flowers will grow from the tuber, the best blooms tend to come from cuttings.
Doesn't matter for garden decoration but if you are exhibiting, well.....

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Wildlife_friendly
Mrs

4074 Posts Posted - 06/05/2010 : 10:53:25
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That is good to know. Next year I will keep my tubers and plant them straight in the garden. Potting them up and keeping them frost free caused a space problem.

Our local show does have a Dahlia class, you never know, one year I may grow some to enter.

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tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 06/05/2010 : 19:54:38
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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly

I have to ask the question which has been puzzling me for quite some time.

You start off with a large healthy tuber and take cuttings from it, when you have all the cuttings you need you discard the original tuber. Won’t the original tuber grow good flowers too?
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I trust Tel will agree here. Although good flowers will grow from the tuber, the best blooms tend to come from cuttings.
Doesn't matter for garden decoration but if you are exhibiting, well.....

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I only use tubers Sweetpea if i am short of a variety, but the resulting blooms are not for Harrogate, i have used them at certain local shows, but there again i know the local one's where they do not have a qualified Dahlia Judge.

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tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 06/05/2010 : 20:00:41
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6


quote:
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Originally posted by tel7772

I still have 123 cuttings that have not taken root yet, next weekend what has not rooted will be on the compost heap.
Will have to get on and sort the plants out into their own groups, at the moment they are all mixed together.

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It seems that all cuttings taken early doors have done well, the later ones have stalled in their progress. Mine are all in 12 cm square pots and after this weekend have bolted away.

Oakwood Goldcrest is doing well, 12 good plants which is what I aimed for and all making steady growth. 3 weeks ago I was a bit concerned as they were slow.

My first year growing Byton Royal Velvet, growing well but the stems look a little spindly. Not sure if this is normal ?
Mark

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The few i have look ok, but i have a few others that have been drawn because they had been left longer than they should have been in the celltray before i potted them up but they will be ok for pot tubers.

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derekbrooks
Tree


2530 Posts Posted - 06/05/2010 : 22:36:00
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I do exactly the same as Tel I only plant the tubers if I am short of plants.I have kept a tuber of Willos violet because I only got 3 cuttings.I take the other tubers to the allotment for anybody who wants them.
See "Dereks diary "for what I have been doing today.


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 07/05/2010 : 20:12:41
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I think i posted the wrong pic for the dahlia Embrace.


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This is a pic of it from Halls of Heddon
It is described has a pale orange





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tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 10/05/2010 : 09:08:31
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Potted up the dahlias that had rooted over the weekend, the rest have gone in the compost bin.



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sweetpea
Tree

8797 Posts Posted - 10/05/2010 : 23:13:50
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does anyone remember what the dahlia seeds were that came from GA or GN a while back? Mine are ready for planting out but not sure whether to pinch them out or indeed what size they will grow to.
Yes, I know i'm a divvy

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 11/05/2010 : 07:20:18
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They were in the GN SP. "Coltness Mix". The packet doesn't say how tall they get, just that they are "ideal for the back of the border". When I've grown these type of garden dahlias I haven't pinched them...they seem to bush up quite naturally.....Hope this helps

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grindle
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15010 Posts Posted - 11/05/2010 : 07:51:08
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just looked it up they say 2ft in height SP


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[Tel]

And quite right too Tel, time is not on our side now, so slow coaches are no good coming into flower mid Oct.

Mark


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 11/05/2010 : 19:34:39
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Too right Mark, my last show will be the first weekend in October.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 11/05/2010 : 19:42:11
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Will be glad when this week is over, another frost forecast for tonight.
I am fed up of taking this lot in and out of the greenhouse.







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sweetpea
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8797 Posts Posted - 11/05/2010 : 20:03:03
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They were in the GN SP. "Coltness Mix". The packet doesn't say how tall they get, just that they are "ideal for the back of the border". When I've grown these type of garden dahlias I haven't pinched them...they seem to bush up quite naturally.....Hope this helps

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Thank you Lou & Grindle. I'm only putting them in a spare bit of ground for some colour hopefully.

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Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 11/05/2010 : 20:58:20
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They will look grand SP....don't forget we want to see a pic

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 12/05/2010 : 07:51:59
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Will be glad when this week is over, another frost forecast for tonight.
I am fed up of taking this lot in and out of the greenhouse.

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Wow, I’m not surprised, I’m glad I only took two cuttings, both of which are doing well.

I planted my dahlias out a week or so ago and I’m getting fed up with covering them with fleece. What strange weather, I can’t remember a frost past the middle of April down here.

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grindle
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15010 Posts Posted - 12/05/2010 : 08:16:57
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are they coping ok WLF, I keep putting it off to get mine out of the greenhouse, I really need the room now


Wildlife_friendly
Mrs

4074 Posts Posted - 12/05/2010 : 16:54:10
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That’s why I put mine out, I ran out of space. They seem to be doing OK, quite a few of them have flower buds. If it stops raining I'll take a photo.

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 12/05/2010 : 17:19:45
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That’s why I put mine out, I ran out of space. They seem to be doing OK, quite a few of them have flower buds. If it stops raining I'll take a photo.

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I'm like Tel, mine go out during the day and then back in at night. Right pain, but not as painful as frost damage on the buggers.

If I get time I will get some images on here of my plants.

Mark


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 13/05/2010 : 19:50:06
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Taken the dahlias out of the greenhouse again, this morning.
No frost forecast now, hopefully they can be left out now until i plant them at the end of the month.

Some of you may recall me telling you about my mate John who had not shown anything for 3 years because he suffered from leukemia and while he was recovering from that he had a stroke.
John lost all his dahlia plants, i promised him some tubers so he could start again, well i decided i would let him have 60 dahlia plants i delivered them to him on Sunday.
But i did threaten him that if he beat me in competition i would never speak to him again.

Moved some dahlia plants that Lou sent me from the greenhouse at home, to the one on the allotment, these will be moved outside, when they have settled down in Yorkshire.

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sweetpea
Tree

8797 Posts Posted - 13/05/2010 : 20:51:32
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Lost three runner bean plants to frost last night but strangely enough all the dahlias were fine and they had been left out overnight still in their tray.

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 13/05/2010 : 21:15:29
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Originally posted by tel7772

Taken the dahlias out of the greenhouse again, this morning.
No frost forecast now, hopefully they can be left out now until i plant them at the end of the month.

Some of you may recall me telling you about my mate John who had not shown anything for 3 years because he suffered from leukemia and while he was recovering from that he had a stroke.
John lost all his dahlia plants, i promised him some tubers so he could start again, well i decided i would let him have 60 dahlia plants i delivered them to him on Sunday.
But i did threaten him that if he beat me in competition i would never speak to him again.

Moved some dahlia plants that Lou sent me from the greenhouse at home, to the one on the allotment, these will be moved outside, when they have settled down in Yorkshire.

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You are a generous man our Tel

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Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 13/05/2010 : 21:16:42
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Originally posted by tel7772

Taken the dahlias out of the greenhouse again, this morning.
No frost forecast now, hopefully they can be left out now until i plant them at the end of the month.

Some of you may recall me telling you about my mate John who had not shown anything for 3 years because he suffered from leukemia and while he was recovering from that he had a stroke.
John lost all his dahlia plants, i promised him some tubers so he could start again, well i decided i would let him have 60 dahlia plants i delivered them to him on Sunday.
But i did threaten him that if he beat me in competition i would never speak to him again.

Moved some dahlia plants that Lou sent me from the greenhouse at home, to the one on the allotment, these will be moved outside, when they have settled down in Yorkshire.

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That shouldn't take them long pet......

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 14/05/2010 : 06:54:58
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Originally posted by tel7772


Some of you may recall me telling you about my mate John who had not shown anything for 3 years because he suffered from leukemia and while he was recovering from that he had a stroke.
John lost all his dahlia plants, i promised him some tubers so he could start again, well i decided i would let him have 60 dahlia plants i delivered them to him on Sunday.
But i did threaten him that if he beat me in competition i would never speak to him again.

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What a very nice man you are

The tops of the dahlias that I planted out are looking a little sad, it was where the fleece touched them.

Some of the leaves are looking a little like net curtains too.

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 15/05/2010 : 10:26:42
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At Last !!

The sun has finally woken up, the risk of frost for the meantime has gone.

Getting ready for the big plant out in 2 weeks.

Hanging baskets and pots to be made up later today after FA Cup Final.

Come on CHELSEA

Mark


Wildlife_friendly
Mrs

4074 Posts Posted - 16/05/2010 : 10:33:39
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I want to plant out the two tubers I planted in pots to take cuttings from. They both have three stems which are about 12 inches tall, can I plant them deeper than the level of the soil in the pots? If I can, how much deeper can I plant them.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 16/05/2010 : 18:48:36
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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly

I want to plant out the two tubers I planted in pots to take cuttings from. They both have three stems which are about 12 inches tall, can I plant them deeper than the level of the soil in the pots? If I can, how much deeper can I plant them.

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You can plant them so the soil is 3in or so up the stems WF, just be careful you do not break the stems while planting.
By planting deeper than the level of soil in the pot will help stablise the the stems a little with some soil round them.

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 16/05/2010 : 19:37:19
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Thanks Tel. The stems on them could do with some support; my cuttings are much stronger than the stems on the tubers.

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6890 Posts Posted - 16/05/2010 : 19:46:29
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Thanks Tel. The stems on them could do with some support; my cuttings are much stronger than the stems on the tubers.

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When they come into bud feed them with a high potash feed, like tomato feed.

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tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 16/05/2010 : 19:51:39
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

At Last !!

The sun has finally woken up, the risk of frost for the meantime has gone.

Getting ready for the big plant out in 2 weeks.Hanging baskets and pots to be made up later today after FA Cup Final.

Come on CHELSEA

Mark

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SNAP.

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Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 16/05/2010 : 20:09:31
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Originally posted by tel7772


quote:
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

At Last !!

The sun has finally woken up, the risk of frost for the meantime has gone.

Getting ready for the big plant out in 2 weeks.Hanging baskets and pots to be made up later today after FA Cup Final.

Come on CHELSEA

Mark

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SNAP.

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Ditto...but maybe a week later than that. I think I bedded mine out a wee bit too early last year

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tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 17/05/2010 : 10:46:13
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A few of the dahlias could do with potting on.
With less than two weeks before they are to be planted out, i am feeding them with Chempac No2 instead of potting them on in to a bigger size pots, just to keep them going for now.

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 17/05/2010 : 12:05:06
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Originally posted by tel7772

A few of the dahlias could do with potting on.
With less than two weeks before they are to be planted out, i am feeding them with Chempac No2 instead of potting them on in to a bigger size pots, just to keep them going for now.

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Yes, quite a few of my early cuttings are the same, namely Charlie Two, Winholme Diane, Trengrove Millenium and Charlie Dimmock.

Have already stopped 1st batch of Giants and will stagger the rest over the next 4 weeks. Mediums will start to be stopped from this weekend with 1st stop on Miniatures to be the same with 2nd stop mid to late June providing there is enough secondary growth coming through.

Mark




tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 17/05/2010 : 12:52:06
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When is your first show Mark?

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 17/05/2010 : 14:31:07
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Originally posted by tel7772

A few of the dahlias could do with potting on.
With less than two weeks before they are to be planted out, i am feeding them with Chempac No2 instead of potting them on in to a bigger size pots, just to keep them going for now.

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Ah! I'm glad you said that. I was just thinking about potting some on....but will follow your lead I still have some rooted cuttings that haven't been potted on yet....That is this afternoons job in the greenhouse

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1st Show is August 13th,of which I'm aiming at medium dec class. Then Banbury the weekend after follwed by Midlands Dahlia society show last weekend in August.

I have about 40 medium plants split between 3 varieties, so hopefully staggered stopping over the next 3 weekends will give me something ?

There is also a 3 vase medium dec class, so blooms permitting I might be able to accomidate this class as well as the single vase at Shrewsbury.

My neighbour also has medium decs c/o yours truely so with another dozen or so plants stager stopped in line with mine might provide a safety stock if needed.

The rest, smalls, large and miniature will be staggered between early to late June, so I dont have 100 blooms one weekend then nout the next.

This year is my 1st proper year growing for show, so note taking on stopping dates is my main priorty !! to aid next years efforts and so on.



Mark




Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 17/05/2010 : 17:35:03
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The best of luck with your shows Mark.....this year will be my second year and am hoping for a bit better than the third place I got last year......Your first show is even earlier than mine....Mine is the week after.....I think.....schedules/dates arn't out yet

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 17/05/2010 : 19:50:54
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Hope you have a successful season Mark and plenty of pics of your winning exhibits.

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 18/05/2010 : 00:44:36
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Thanks Guy's,

I'm pretty reserved on my chances this year, you can only try and learn from the experience. I'm new to this game so there will be no disgrace in getting beaten by the big boys.

I'm far more organised this year, which is a definite plus in my favour. Lets just see what happens !!

Mark


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 18/05/2010 : 09:07:18
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You will certainly will be mixing it with the big boys at the Midland Dahlia Society Show, Mark.

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 18/05/2010 : 09:22:20
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I only show in the novice and intermediate classes at this show. I became a member last year.

Time is on my side, I have no wish just yet to chalenge the likes of Ron Guest, John Digweed,June Davis and co. That would be suicide My aim in the next few years is to at least grow these buggers to a reasonable standard and progress from there

They are nice people and always helpful in putting you right if you are struggling with anything.

Their main show at the end of August is very well supported and attracts growers from all over the country. So its a good society to learn from.


Mark


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 18/05/2010 : 20:17:31
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I have not met a dahlia grower at any show, i have attended, that was not willing to help or pass on advise to anybody who was just starting out in showing our wonderful flower.

I personally would not help novices, let someone else do it that's what i say.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 18/05/2010 : 21:16:32
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Take no notice Mark. Our Tel is very generous with help to us novices and don't let him tell you any different....he is too modest

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Wildlife_friendly
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I personally would not help novices, let someone else do it that's what i say.

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I totally agree. I have a plant which I’ve loved for years, someone on this forum (it couldn’t possibly have been Tel ) said it was a Dahlia. This same person said I should lift and store the tubers, this is something I’d never done. I followed the advice and lifted my tubers and kept them safe through the winter. All the tubers I’d left in the ground rotted over winter.

If it wasn’t for someone’s extreme patience and helpful advice to an absolute novice I’d have lost the lot. This Dahlia was given to me by someone special and I’d have been devastated if I’d lost it.

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WoodfordDahlias6
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Watering my potted dahlias nearly every day now, with their root space confined to their pots they soon become dry.

With the weather forcast as it stands, I might start planting up this weekend in the more sheltered parts of my garden.

The plants 'mainly giants'which are to be grown in pots are out in 10 inch pots and growing well. I use plastic not terracotta, as it doesn't drawer the water out of the compost.Good size drip trays under each pot allows you to water from below.

Giants take on and perspire loads of water every day, so these drip trays are a positive move I think.

This year I have used Bullrush JI no 2 and 3 mixed 50/50, normal compost makes the roots soft and dries out too quickly.

I used this same mix on my rooted cuttings, and all bar the odd one have done well with good steady growth. Even Oakwood Goldcrest are about 6 - 8 inches high now using this mix.

My older rooted cuttings are about 12 inches high and gagging to get out in open ground.

Mark





tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 19/05/2010 : 20:07:55
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Originally posted by tel7772

I personally would not help novices, let someone else do it that's what i say.

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I totally agree. I have a plant which I’ve loved for years, someone on this forum (it couldn’t possibly have been Tel ) said it was a Dahlia. This same person said I should lift and store the tubers, this is something I’d never done. I followed the advice and lifted my tubers and kept them safe through the winter. All the tubers I’d left in the ground rotted over winter.

If it wasn’t for someone’s extreme patience and helpful advice to an absolute novice I’d have lost the lot. This Dahlia was given to me by someone special and I’d have been devastated if I’d lost it.

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I am so glad your Dahlia is still with you.
I bet the person who give you the advise is glad you did not tell them at the time how much it meant to you, talk about pressure in case it went wrong.
WF did you take any cuttings this year from it has insurance.

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 19/05/2010 : 21:03:17
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I wanted to but all the shoots were huge fat ones and I understood these were no good for cuttings.

I have got six healthy plants growing in the garden, I should be able to dig them and store them for next year, shouldn’t I? Is there some nasty that kills them over winter?

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 19/05/2010 : 21:06:15
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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly

I wanted to but all the shoots were huge fat ones and I understood these were no good for cuttings.

I have got six healthy plants growing in the garden, I should be able to dig them and store them for next year, shouldn’t I? Is there some nasty that kills them over winter?

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Frost, and excessive wet

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 20/05/2010 : 19:41:27
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Excessive wet and Frost.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 20/05/2010 : 19:44:14
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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 20/05/2010 : 19:48:54
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I will have to see if i can find any pics of some of my exhibits from my novice days back in the early ninties,scan them and post a few on here.
I know i took a few pics of those early days, then i did not bother after that except for Harrogate, until i joined this forum.
I thought it is no good just talking about growing and showing, without a few pics of the end product.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 21/05/2010 : 08:07:40
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Originally posted by tel7772

Excessive wet and Frost.

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I shall be storing them (in a manner of speaking) the same as I did last year then, it worked for me. Last year I dug them and laid them on newspaper in the conservatory to dry out before I stored them. Every day I’d walk past them laying on the newspaper and I'd say to myself “I must do something with them later”, but the “later” never arrived. My tubers spent all winter on newspaper on the conservatory floor until I replanted them in the spring. Untidy but sucessfull

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tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 22/05/2010 : 08:53:49
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Bingley Chrysanthemum and Dahlia Society Show 1994 this was my second year of exhibiting, after winning my first novice class the previous year.







My first Championship at the Bingley show in 1994


In the early days i did put the trophies on display, now they just go in the wardrobe.


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 22/05/2010 : 09:25:34
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Excellent stuff Tel,

Not so sure about the jumper you are wearing though, very .... 'Val Doonigan' methinks !!


Mark


Cherry
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13929 Posts Posted - 22/05/2010 : 09:28:06
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It is nice to remember the good old days, and I think you are still going up Tel. You show at the country's top venues now.


Cherry
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13929 Posts Posted - 22/05/2010 : 09:29:10
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Hey WD. I liked Val Doonican!


WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 22/05/2010 : 17:34:33
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Hey WD. I liked Val Doonican!

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Yes, but his cardigans were well dodgy.

I remember as a nipper having to sit through his TV show while my mum sang along to his trollop.

Bless her !! she's been gone nearly 10 years now. What i wouldn't do now to listen to his torture hour with her for just one day.

Anyway, great pics tel, see below for my first society win, last year, single medium dec, novice class. I was well chuffed especially as there was a high turnout in this class.



Mark




Cherry
Moderator

13929 Posts Posted - 22/05/2010 : 19:59:18
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WD You made me smile with tears in my eyes. I must be tired (like a newt).


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 23/05/2010 : 08:35:50
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It is nice to remember the good old days, and I think you are still going up Tel. You show at the country's top venues now.

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Still trying Cherry, still two ambitions left in showing dahlias.
The Small Decorative Championship at Harrogate and a silver medal there. the bronze medal has been achieved at Harrogate.


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 23/05/2010 : 08:44:15
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quote:
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Originally posted by Cherry

Hey WD. I liked Val Doonican!

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Yes, but his cardigans were well dodgy.

I remember as a nipper having to sit through his TV show while my mum sang along to his trollop.

Bless her !! she's been gone nearly 10 years now. What i wouldn't do now to listen to his torture hour with her for just one day.

Anyway, great pics tel, see below for my first society win, last year, single medium dec, novice class. I was well chuffed especially as there was a high turnout in this class.



Mark

You have every right to be chuffed Mark, I find the single flower class, is harder to win than the multi vase classes, because has you say there is a lot of entries.
I once received a 1st at Harrogate for one bloom of Trelyn Kiwi and i have had two thirds over the last few years.
There is just one local show that has a single bloom class,i have shown there for years, won the silver medal a few times for best exhibit, but i have never won that particular class.



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[Tel]

Now they are in the garden they are looking much happier, they have some flower buds on them. They are not as tall as I expected, will they still grow? I planted them behind some Aqualegia thinking they would be much taller than them, the Aqualegia are a lot taller at the moment.



These are the little Dahilias I picked up for 20p each, they are called Dark Angel



This is my Dahlia bed, I'm hoping they will all bush out a bit. There is loads of manure in the bed, should I feed them as well?



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WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 23/05/2010 : 11:43:57
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Now they are in the garden they are looking much happier, they have some flower buds on them. They are not as tall as I expected, will they still grow? I planted them behind some Aqualegia thinking they would be much taller than them, the Aqualegia are a lot taller at the moment.



These are the little Dahilias I picked up for 20p each, they are called Dark Angel



This is my Dahlia bed, I'm hoping they will all bush out a bit. There is loads of manure in the bed, should I feed them as well?



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Personally if it was me and as you say it has been well manured then no !! unless they need it. If so, use a balanced feed, ie Chempak 3 or similar.

I'm not a big lover of high nitrogen feeds, too much foliage and week stems.

You will need to feed them with a high potash feed from late July onwards to firm up the stems and enhance the blooms. Eg: Chempak 4, maxicrop or good old tomato food.The kiwi's are the exception, they hate potash and if green centres are a problem on this variety, a feed of nitrogen usually solves this.

Everyones garden or plot is different, what works best for you is the way you should go. There are no set fast rules for everyone to follow.


Mark




DahliaMan
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117 Posts Posted - 23/05/2010 : 19:49:47
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Yesterday I planted all 102 of my exhibition dahlias. I dug a hole for each just deeper than the rootball and added a handful of Erin compost to each hole and mixed this in. I removed the bottom leaves of each dahlia and teased out some root with my thumb of any that were well rooted. I planted each dahlia into its planting hole up to the next pair of lower leaves and backfilled in around them. I made a recess around each so that any watering goes to the rootball and doesn't run off. I watered in with Maxicrop Original at 10ml/gallon or Seasol Seaweed Extract at 20ml/gallon water giving each dahlia 1 pint of water mix. I placed 4 mothballs around each and copious slug pellets. The dahlias will now be left for around 12 days (weather dependent) to search down for the water and form a sound anchorage.
Regards, Paul

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Paul
from Cornwall, South West England



Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 24/05/2010 : 08:03:28
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Mothballs ??

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tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 24/05/2010 : 08:20:07
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Mothballs ??

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To stop butterflys from laying their eggs.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 24/05/2010 : 08:39:28
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quote:
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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly

Now they are in the garden they are looking much happier, they have some flower buds on them. They are not as tall as I expected, will they still grow? I planted them behind some Aqualegia thinking they would be much taller than them, the Aqualegia are a lot taller at the moment.



These are the little Dahilias I picked up for 20p each, they are called Dark Angel


This is my Dahlia bed, I'm hoping they will all bush out a bit. There is loads of manure in the bed, should I feed them as well?



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These have a maximum height of around 20in, Dark Angel is the name for a new series of dahlias, there are 8 in this group, the one you have looks like the one called American Pie.
The others in the series are,
Braveheart
Dracula
Dragon Ball
Pretty Woman
Pulp Fiction
Star Wars
Taxi Driver

You have got a real bargain WF
some of these are not in the garden centre yet, i think they will cost a little more than 20p

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



steve
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25134 Posts Posted - 24/05/2010 : 17:20:53
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Tel has let me know he will be without broadband for up to a week while he changes supplier...so if anyone is waiting for a reply he will get back to you ASAP

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Steve
In Ilkeston


Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 24/05/2010 : 17:24:53
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quote:
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Originally posted by tel7772


quote:
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Originally posted by Loublou

Mothballs ??

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To stop butterflys from laying their eggs.

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Ah...I see.........suppose I had better get some before I plant mine out

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DahliaMan
Mr

117 Posts Posted - 24/05/2010 : 23:43:31
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quote:
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Originally posted by Loublou


quote:
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Originally posted by tel7772


quote:
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Originally posted by Loublou

Mothballs ??

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To stop butterflys from laying their eggs.

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Ah...I see.........suppose I had better get some before I plant mine out


Hi
Yes works a treat though I also weekly spray
Paul

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Paul
from Cornwall, South West England



Wildlife_friendly
Mrs

4074 Posts Posted - 26/05/2010 : 15:06:23
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quote:
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Originally posted by tel7772

These have a maximum height of around 20in, Dark Angel is the name for a new series of dahlias, there are 8 in this group, the one you have looks like the one called American Pie.
The others in the series are,
Braveheart
Dracula
Dragon Ball
Pretty Woman
Pulp Fiction
Star Wars
Taxi Driver

You have got a real bargain WF
some of these are not in the garden centre yet, i think they will cost a little more than 20p

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How strange, after I read your post I went out and had another look at the pots, they are printed but only carry the name “Dark angel”. They are beginning to flower and are different colours. You would have thought they would have put the different names on them.

I did pick them up from a GS but they had finished flowering and had been over watered. A bit of TLC and dead heading and they look as good as new.

I did go back to get some more but they had all gone.

I had a search on the internet to see if I could find which was which but I couldn’t find a site with images of them all. Any suggestions?

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Encouraging wildlife in Devon.


WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 26/05/2010 : 16:11:32
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Originally posted by steve

Tel has let me know he will be without broadband for up to a week while he changes supplier...so if anyone is waiting for a reply he will get back to you ASAP

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If its anything like my last broadband supplier change then he might be missing for some time ?

Currently with virgin, not great but who are ?

Mark


DahliaMan
Mr

117 Posts Posted - 28/05/2010 : 17:29:20
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quote:
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6


quote:
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Originally posted by steve

Tel has let me know he will be without broadband for up to a week while he changes supplier...so if anyone is waiting for a reply he will get back to you ASAP

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If its anything like my last broadband supplier change then he might be missing for some time ?

Currently with virgin, not great but who are ?

Hi everyone
We are with the Post Office. But when it comes to ISP's everyone has a different opinion/story so who knows the best one? Growing dahlias is far easier lol!!!
Cheers, Paul

Mark

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from Cornwall, South West England



WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 29/05/2010 : 10:37:19
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Paul,

Oakwood Goldcrest

I have 12 good plants from this years cuttings, all are planted out and look healthy.

My word they are slow growers though, currently about 8 inches in height.

Plan is to stop them about 3 week in June for late august shows, is this OK or can you add anyrhing that might help.

Single stop at 4 pairs of leaves, securing only 4 alternate stems '4 Up.


Mark'


DahliaMan
Mr

117 Posts Posted - 29/05/2010 : 11:32:39
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

Paul,

Oakwood Goldcrest

I have 12 good plants from this years cuttings, all are planted out and look healthy.

My word they are slow growers though, currently about 8 inches in height.

Plan is to stop them about 3 week in June for late august shows, is this OK or can you add anyrhing that might help.

Single stop at 4 pairs of leaves, securing only 4 alternate stems '4 Up.


Mark'

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Hi Mark
As you have 12 Oakwood if youre showing them then how about stopping 6 plants 2nd week June and 6 3rd week June so edging your beds. Keep records for future use. Oakwood is small anyway at around 3 feet so plants of 8 inches I reckon sounds good. Are these all your own raisings?
Regards, Paul

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from Cornwall, South West England



WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 30/05/2010 : 08:36:00
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quote:
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Originally posted by DahliaMan


quote:
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

Paul,

Oakwood Goldcrest

I have 12 good plants from this years cuttings, all are planted out and look healthy.

My word they are slow growers though, currently about 8 inches in height.

Plan is to stop them about 3 week in June for late august shows, is this OK or can you add anyrhing that might help.

Single stop at 4 pairs of leaves, securing only 4 alternate stems '4 Up.


Mark'

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Hi Mark
As you have 12 Oakwood if youre showing them then how about stopping 6 plants 2nd week June and 6 3rd week June so edging your beds. Keep records for future use. Oakwood is small anyway at around 3 feet so plants of 8 inches I reckon sounds good. Are these all your own raisings?
Regards, Paul

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Hi Paul,

Yes they are all my own cuttings taken from pot tubers purchased from Geerlings.

I also have 2 very small late cuttings which are a little on the small side, I will keep these as pot tubers hoping they amount to something.

Obviously this is a variety that doesn't go leggy !! as all my plants look like stocky miniature mature plants with strong main stems.

They were planted out last weekend and while the initial shock of that mini heatwave was probably not ideal, they have grown on a fare bit this week.

I recall you saying they are low growers hense with that in mind they are all at the front of my beds as not to get overshadowed by the bigger varieties.

Thanks for the advise.


Mark



DahliaMan
Mr

117 Posts Posted - 30/05/2010 : 23:18:41
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quote:
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6


quote:
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Originally posted by DahliaMan


quote:
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

Paul,

Oakwood Goldcrest

I have 12 good plants from this years cuttings, all are planted out and look healthy.

My word they are slow growers though, currently about 8 inches in height.

Plan is to stop them about 3 week in June for late august shows, is this OK or can you add anyrhing that might help.

Single stop at 4 pairs of leaves, securing only 4 alternate stems '4 Up.


Mark'

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Hi Mark
As you have 12 Oakwood if youre showing them then how about stopping 6 plants 2nd week June and 6 3rd week June so edging your beds. Keep records for future use. Oakwood is small anyway at around 3 feet so plants of 8 inches I reckon sounds good. Are these all your own raisings?
Regards, Paul

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Hi Paul,

Yes they are all my own cuttings taken from pot tubers purchased from Geerlings.

I also have 2 very small late cuttings which are a little on the small side, I will keep these as pot tubers hoping they amount to something.

Obviously this is a variety that doesn't go leggy !! as all my plants look like stocky miniature mature plants with strong main stems.

They were planted out last weekend and while the initial shock of that mini heatwave was probably not ideal, they have grown on a fare bit this week.

I recall you saying they are low growers hense with that in mind they are all at the front of my beds as not to get overshadowed by the bigger varieties.

Thanks for the advise.


Mark


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Youre very welcome Mark, yes they are low growers. Be interested in the resulting blooms because I think grown well the form is the best in class and competition with the Trelyns if in the same classes.
Regards, Paul

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Paul
from Cornwall, South West England



WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 31/05/2010 : 10:09:49
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Hi Mark
As you have 12 Oakwood if youre showing them then how about stopping 6 plants 2nd week June and 6 3rd week June so edging your beds. Keep records for future use. Oakwood is small anyway at around 3 feet so plants of 8 inches I reckon sounds good. Are these all your own raisings?
Regards, Paul
[/quote]

Hi Paul,

Yes they are all my own cuttings taken from pot tubers purchased from Geerlings.

I also have 2 very small late cuttings which are a little on the small side, I will keep these as pot tubers hoping they amount to something.

Obviously this is a variety that doesn't go leggy !! as all my plants look like stocky miniature mature plants with strong main stems.

They were planted out last weekend and while the initial shock of that mini heatwave was probably not ideal, they have grown on a fare bit this week.

I recall you saying they are low growers hense with that in mind they are all at the front of my beds as not to get overshadowed by the bigger varieties.

Thanks for the advise.


Mark

[/quote]
Youre very welcome Mark, yes they are low growers. Be interested in the resulting blooms because I think grown well the form is the best in class and competition with the Trelyns if in the same classes.
Regards, Paul
[/quote]


Thanks Paul,

First pics of blooms will be on here, I'm very hopefull of its potential, its a stunning variety with a very unique colour. I fell in love with it from the first time I saw it. Only downfall is its lack of blooms in order to get the correct size.


Mark


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 31/05/2010 : 15:12:24
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quote:
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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly


quote:
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Originally posted by tel7772

These have a maximum height of around 20in, Dark Angel is the name for a new series of dahlias, there are 8 in this group, the one you have looks like the one called American Pie.
The others in the series are,
Braveheart
Dracula
Dragon Ball
Pretty Woman
Pulp Fiction
Star Wars
Taxi Driver

You have got a real bargain WF
some of these are not in the garden centre yet, i think they will cost a little more than 20p

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How strange, after I read your post I went out and had another look at the pots, they are printed but only carry the name “Dark angel”. They are beginning to flower and are different colours. You would have thought they would have put the different names on them.

I did pick them up from a GS but they had finished flowering and had been over watered. A bit of TLC and dead heading and they look as good as new.

I did go back to get some more but they had all gone.

I had a search on the internet to see if I could find which was which but I couldn’t find a site with images of them all. Any suggestions?

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i just google'd,dark angel dahlia american pie, not pics of them all but descriptions of their colours that you maybe able to identify yours by.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 31/05/2010 : 15:22:55
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I should have been planting my dahlias out now, but i did my back in on Friday lifting bags of compost into the car.
They will have to wait now for a few days.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 31/05/2010 : 16:09:21
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This show season, i have two things to aim for, an entry in the Small Decorative Championship at Harrogate in September.
Three Silver medals to bring my total to 30
Well i can dream, can't i.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 31/05/2010 : 16:24:10
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I have been looking through some old dahlia winter bulletin's
they have a round up of results for shows up and down the country.
I came across the 2005 Winton show, it says The star was again
Sir Alf Ramsey and earned Derek Brooks the Silver Medal, is this our Derek i wonder?

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 31/05/2010 : 20:03:11
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It wouldn't surprise me....

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 01/06/2010 : 13:45:33
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Sent Frank Taylor an email this morning, asking if he has sent or when he is going to send his spare plants to the garden centre in Todmorden i bought Marston Royal Velvet there last year.
I am hoping he sends a few of these,
Barbarry Pip, Min Dec
Marston Suzanne, Min Dec
Rossendale Lewis, Min Dec


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 01/06/2010 : 19:46:12
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Just thought i would have a little moan about, one of the changes to the NDS schedule, for Harrogate this Year.
I thought the NDS were using a bit of common sense, they have created a new Championship Class, for Small Semi-Cactus Dahlias. I thought hurray, the fans of Small Semi-Cactus varieties have now got their own Championship, in the past they had to compete with the Small Cactus in the A K Grayson Perpetual Challenge Cup.
What i cannot understand is why they have not taken the Small Semi-Cactus out of the A K Grayson thus giving both Cultivars
their own Championship instead of still competing with each other.
PS
I wonder if Dave Bates will raise it, in his Column, in the Gardening News.?

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I'm growing 12 plants of Marston Suzanne, really nice red miniature dec, John Digweed rates it a lot. Good cutting maker, only had one tuber.

Best grown 14 up single stop or 16 up double stop, dont disbud until right at the last minute or it goes oversized.

Mark



tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 02/06/2010 : 10:05:32
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Sent Frank Taylor an email this morning, asking if he has sent or when he is going to send his spare plants to the garden centre in Todmorden i bought Marston Royal Velvet there last year.
I am hoping he sends a few of these,
Barbarry Pip, Min Dec
Marston Suzanne, Min Dec
Rossendale Lewis, Min Dec


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I'm growing 12 plants of Marston Suzanne, really nice red miniature dec, John Digweed rates it a lot. Good cutting maker, only had one tuber.

Best grown 14 up single stop or 16 up double stop, dont disbud until right at the last minute or it goes oversized.Mark


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Thanks for the info on Marston Suzanne, Mark. Not had a reply to my email yet but if i do get that variety, i will follow your advice.
Mind you i keep on increasing my dahlia varieties and i haven't the room for them lol.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 02/06/2010 : 10:48:03
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Thought you weren't going to do that Tel

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 02/06/2010 : 15:10:24
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Thought you weren't going to do that Tel

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We all say that, but end up growing too many varieties every year.

It doesn't do any harm to trial the new ones, sod's law says a good one comes along and we miss the boat to be one of the first to get it on the show bench.

Marston Suzanne is a really good non fading miniature red dec, easy to grow, good cutting maker,strong stems, but doesn't like too much water in its early plant life.


Mark


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 02/06/2010 : 21:07:38
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Thought you weren't going to do that Tel

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I think those 3 varieties seduced me Lou.
Not received an email back yet, still going to take a trip over to that garden centre on Sunday, just in case he sends them this weekend.
I promise i will not buy any Small Decorative's when i go,
i have already got what he has on his dahlia list.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 02/06/2010 : 21:13:19
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Thought you weren't going to do that Tel

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I think those 3 varieties seduced me Lou.
Not received an email back yet, still going to take a trip over to that garden centre on Sunday, just in case he sends them this weekend.
I promise i will not buy any Small Decorative's when i go,
i have already got what he has on his dahlia list.

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I've heard that before
My missing rooted cuttings have been posted to me today
I must admit I've put a late order in to Halls

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


longs
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436 Posts Posted - 02/06/2010 : 21:15:11
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sod's law says a good one comes along and we miss the boat to be one of the first to get it on the show bench.
Mark

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Why do you need to do that? Surely it's best to just trial it first and see how it performs for you.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 02/06/2010 : 21:15:38
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Thought you weren't going to do that Tel

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I think those 3 varieties seduced me Lou.
Not received an email back yet, still going to take a trip over to that garden centre on Sunday, just in case he sends them this weekend.
I promise i will not buy any Small Decorative's when i go,
i have already got what he has on his dahlia list.

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I've heard that before
My missing rooted cuttings have been posted to me today
I must admit I've put a late order in to Halls

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Your worse than me with dahlias.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 03/06/2010 : 07:25:03
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Thought you weren't going to do that Tel

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I think those 3 varieties seduced me Lou.
Not received an email back yet, still going to take a trip over to that garden centre on Sunday, just in case he sends them this weekend.
I promise i will not buy any Small Decorative's when i go,
i have already got what he has on his dahlia list.

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I've heard that before
My missing rooted cuttings have been posted to me today
I must admit I've put a late order in to Halls

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Your worse than me with dahlias.

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Are you going to let us all know what varieties of rooted cuttings you have received Lou.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 03/06/2010 : 07:26:03
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I'll think about it Tel.....they are "fancy" ones rather than show stoppers...

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 05/06/2010 : 10:52:31
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Made a start on planting the dahlias out yesterday, went down and planted a few more this morning.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 05/06/2010 : 19:31:09
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Started on mine today

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 05/06/2010 : 19:55:31
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Planted 4 varieties of Small Decs in the beds, Gateshead Festival, Brenda T, Ruby and Rossendale Peach, potted up 25 Winholme Diane Small Dec into flower buckets.

Planted 12 Marston Lilac Min Dec, 12 Marys Jomanda Min Ball, 16 Kenora Challenger LSC, 18 Oreti Bliss S.Cactus, 40 Kiwi's to plant yet in their own bed.

Then i have other varieties, that i have not made my mind up about yet, some will be potted into flower buckets and some will just be kept for stock this year.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 05/06/2010 : 20:24:13
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Mine are all flowering and the bees are having a field day.

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Encouraging wildlife in Devon.


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 06/06/2010 : 09:27:17
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Went down to the allotment this morning, sorted out which plants i am not showing this year, selected out of each variety what i am keeping for stock plants, the rest will be given away.

Planted Amber Festival into flower buckets, only have 12 of these this year, they did not produce as many cuttings has i hoped.

I hope to get the Kiwi's in tomorrow, i need to give my back a rest.


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 06/06/2010 : 17:13:07
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Went down to the allotment this morning, sorted out which plants i am not showing this year, selected out of each variety what i am keeping for stock plants, the rest will be given away.

Planted Amber Festival into flower buckets, only have 12 of these this year, they did not produce as many cuttings has i hoped.

I hope to get the Kiwi's in tomorrow, i need to give my back a rest.


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Its been a funny old year for cuttings hasn't it?....for instance AF was one of the tubers that produced the most cuttings for me....others produced only one.....I hope the fact that I now have a heated cable to install in the greenhouse will improve my production rate next year....
I got the rest of my plants in thismorning....only 25 in total....but I have a few places left, hopefully for the Karenglen I'm hoping Halls is going to send me VERY soon...... Of course I have the tubers to plant as well.......if I can find room, among the cabbages perhaps? lol
Watch your back Tel......you'r not a youngster any more you know...lol

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 06/06/2010 : 18:57:35
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Sent Frank Taylor an email this morning, asking if he has sent or when he is going to send his spare plants to the garden centre in Todmorden i bought Marston Royal Velvet there last year.
I am hoping he sends a few of these,
Barbarry Pip, Min Dec
Marston Suzanne, Min Dec
Rossendale Lewis, Min Dec


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Took a trip out to Todmorden today to see if Frank Taylor had sent any dahlias, even though he did not email me back.
Out of the 3 varieties above, i managed to get myself 5 plants of Rossendale Lewis, Frank had not sent any of the other 2 varieties.
So just to console myself i also bought 2 Hillcrest Candy a pink MSC
2 Barbarry Maveric a deep purple Min Ball, 2 Rossendale Rattle orange Small Ball and one i have not heard anything about, 1 Ruskin Mars red Min Dec.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 06/06/2010 : 20:00:12
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..Tel!!!

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 07/06/2010 : 16:35:54
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Finally finished planting out the dahlias.
There is over 50 plants planted into flower buckets.




These are my spare plants ready to give away now.


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 07/06/2010 : 17:30:05
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Crikey......haven't you done well..I've still got to cut up lengths of twine to tie on the canes ready for when they are needed....can't quite make out if you have done yours yet

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 07/06/2010 : 19:42:43
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Crikey......haven't you done well..I've still got to cut up lengths of twine to tie on the canes ready for when they are needed....can't quite make out if you have done yours yet

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No Lou i have not tied mine to the canes, i put them there in case the dog decides to go walkabout on the dahlia beds if he avoids the canes he avoids the plants.

With having windbreak material on the sides where the strongest wind blows, i will not put the canes in, until the dahlias have been stopped. The kiwi bed, there is no windbreak, but the kiwi's are not a tall grower and i cannot remember the last time any received any damage.

I said earlier that i had a few spare plants, among them is some small decs,the same ones i have planted out, i have just been to more reasons and bought another 18 flower buckets, i am going to plant the remaining small decs in them, it could make the difference of having an entry in the Small Decs Championship at Harrogate or not.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 07/06/2010 : 21:05:53
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Ah I see. I don't know my site well enough yet....how windy it will be, so the canes are there ready.(I may have to erect a windbreak )....I've stopped my plants already....as I said previously a lot of them were damaged through burning or maybe frost when in the greenhouse and I had to take the tips out.. This year is going to be very much a "learning curve" year as, you will remember, last year my plants were grown in pots with a few in the borders...it will be an interesting season

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 07/06/2010 : 21:08:16
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Crikey......haven't you done well..I've still got to cut up lengths of twine to tie on the canes ready for when they are needed....can't quite make out if you have done yours yet

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No Lou i have not tied mine to the canes, i put them there in case the dog decides to go walkabout on the dahlia beds if he avoids the canes he avoids the plants.

With having windbreak material on the sides where the strongest wind blows, i will not put the canes in, until the dahlias have been stopped. The kiwi bed, there is no windbreak, but the kiwi's are not a tall grower and i cannot remember the last time any received any damage.

I said earlier that i had a few spare plants, among them is some small decs,the same ones i have planted out, i have just been to more reasons and bought another 18 flower buckets, i am going to plant the remaining small decs in them, it could make the difference of having an entry in the Small Decs Championship at Harrogate or not.

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A good move methinks

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 07/06/2010 : 21:53:28
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I've just had word that some dahlias I have been asked to trial are on their way....One of them is an un-named variety that a friend of mine was involved in cross polinating.....this is quite exciting and I am looking forward to getting them..

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Cherry
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13929 Posts Posted - 07/06/2010 : 22:42:22
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How interesting Lou. Who are you trialling for? Maybe it is a secret.


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I hope the unnamed variety you are going to trial is a nice one, Lou

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 08/06/2010 : 16:51:41
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From the description it sounds interesting Tel....

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 09/06/2010 : 09:38:32
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I received an email from Withypitts dahlias yesterday, informing me they have posted my dahlia order off.
The also sent me a PDF attachment on how to grow them.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 09/06/2010 : 11:55:14
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They seem to have had a problem with cuttings of this variety this year, Citizen


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 09/06/2010 : 13:39:58
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OMG....Thats one of the varieties I ordered from Withypits....what a coincidence Tel Mine were not packed very well and one of them completely snapped off I e-mailed to tell them but have not heard anything back yet.
I ordered 3 x 3 varieties and they came in this huge box; each packet was wrapped in bubblewrap and some put between the packets....nothing to "hold" them, like those polystyrene pieces.....they didn't even put "Plants handle with care" on the box........I would be interested to hear how yours are packed.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 09/06/2010 : 14:30:41
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OMG....Thats one of the varieties I ordered from Withypits....what a coincidence Tel Mine were not packed very well and one of them completely snapped off I e-mailed to tell them but have not heard anything back yet.
I ordered 3 x 3 varieties and they came in this huge box; each packet was wrapped in bubblewrap and some put between the packets....nothing to "hold" them, like those polystyrene pieces.....they didn't even put "Plants handle with care" on the box........I would be interested to hear how yours are packed.

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I ordered 5 plants, 3 Citizen and 2 Hootenanny, they have arrived in a large box,it did have a label Plants handle with care.
the box had one piece of bubble wrap under and over the plants.
The plants themselves were in small pots each wrapped in newspaper,with nothing to stop them moving about, the citizen plants must have just been potted up, the roots had not reached into the compost, one of the plants was out of the pot.
I was lucky non were broken, now i have potted them up and watered.
Will leave them in the greenhouse to settle down now.

Citizen is a very tall grower can reach to over 5ft.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 09/06/2010 : 14:46:25
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The first schedule of the season just arrived.


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 09/06/2010 : 20:44:00
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OMG....Thats one of the varieties I ordered from Withypits....what a coincidence Tel Mine were not packed very well and one of them completely snapped off I e-mailed to tell them but have not heard anything back yet.
I ordered 3 x 3 varieties and they came in this huge box; each packet was wrapped in bubblewrap and some put between the packets....nothing to "hold" them, like those polystyrene pieces.....they didn't even put "Plants handle with care" on the box........I would be interested to hear how yours are packed.

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I ordered 5 plants, 3 Citizen and 2 Hootenanny, they have arrived in a large box,it did have a label Plants handle with care.
the box had one piece of bubble wrap under and over the plants.
The plants themselves were in small pots each wrapped in newspaper,with nothing to stop them moving about, the citizen plants must have just been potted up, the roots had not reached into the compost, one of the plants was out of the pot.
I was lucky non were broken, now i have potted them up and watered.
Will leave them in the greenhouse to settle down now.

Citizen is a very tall grower can reach to over 5ft.

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You are not going to believe this Tel.......guess what one of my other plants was.....yes....Hottenany.......it just goes to show what good taste we both have...PS: Mine were not in pots
Thanks for the warning about Citizen.....
I've also received Renoir....drat...can't remember the other one offhand...

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 09/06/2010 : 20:48:40
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The rooted cuttings from Halls were another matter....3 in a plastic sleeve...laid in a small box....no problem.....Ordered Karenglen....all my cuttings off the tuber I had failed and the tuber is very pathetic.....Brian's Dream......ordered for obvious reasons...I ordered Kenora Sunset....but they sent My Beverley instead.....must look this one up.....

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 10/06/2010 : 20:13:59
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I have some old dahlia videos 3 from Fred Oscrofts and 1 from Barry Davies the raiser of the Barbarry varieties.
I had nothing to do so i decided to put them on to DVDs, amongst them was another video with just dahlias written on it in my handwriting.
After 15 years that was the last time i saw it, i could not remember what was on it,till i played it this afternoon, the first item was my very first exhibit in the novice class at Eccleshill, a vase of Barbarry Pinky, i cringed when i saw them, i had forgotten how bad they were.
there is also the dahlia trials that in those days were held here in Bradford at Brackenhill Park, it was interesting looking back at some of the varieties on trial that year.
The winner of the top award that year is still the number one dahlia in multi vase classes That is the Large Semi-Cactus Kenora Challenger

There is also the Harrogate 1992 show on there.
The last item on it jumps to 1995 at Shelf where i won 3 trophies and went up to be presented them, by the Lord Mayor, i was wearing my Dahlia T-shirt.


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 10/06/2010 : 20:35:45
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Oh...how lovely......it must have been strange to look back on your dahlia career. You keep mentioning your dahlia tee-shirt.....hows about posting a pic of you wearing it

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 10/06/2010 : 20:38:47
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i do not have a pic of it, but if i can freeze the DVD in the right place i will see if i can take a pic of it from the tele.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 11/06/2010 : 09:11:39
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The dahlia t-shirt taken at the Shelf Show, not a very good pic though.



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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 11/06/2010 : 09:30:15
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Some of my exhibits from Shelf Show.

Single bloom class,
Pink Jupiter, Giant Semi-Cactus


Kenora Challenger, Large Semi-Cactus


A vase of Eastwood Moonlight, Medium Semi-Cactus


Cannot remeber the name of this one.


Kenora Challenger,


Ruskin Diane, Small Decorative.


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 11/06/2010 : 09:33:04
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My very first exhibit, Barbarry Pinky a clocked faced Small Decorative.


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 11/06/2010 : 09:36:03
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My first win at the Harrogate Show in the novice classes, with a miniature Ball called Candy Cupid.


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Cherry
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13929 Posts Posted - 11/06/2010 : 10:36:14
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That looks clever to me.


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 11/06/2010 : 20:12:51
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Had a change of plan with the plants i were just keeping for stock this year.
They are now dual purpose stock plants, i have planted them still in their 3in pots into flower buckets, along with the plants i could not fit into the dahlia beds, i have a few more on the allotment to do yet, plus those i bought at Todmorden, plus the 5 i had delivered this week.
That will take the total of flower buckets used past the 100 mark.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 11/06/2010 : 20:31:49
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Thanks for the T-Shirt pic Tel, and the show pics

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 11/06/2010 : 20:32:25
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Originally posted by tel7772

Had a change of plan with the plants i were just keeping for stock this year.
They are now dual purpose stock plants, i have planted them still in their 3in pots into flower buckets, along with the plants i could not fit into the dahlia beds, i have a few more on the allotment to do yet, plus those i bought at Todmorden, plus the 5 i had delivered this week.
That will take the total of flower buckets used past the 100 mark.

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Crumbs...over 100?......its easy to get carried away isn't it

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 13/06/2010 : 22:05:51
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Originally posted by tel7772

Had a change of plan with the plants i were just keeping for stock this year.
They are now dual purpose stock plants, i have planted them still in their 3in pots into flower buckets, along with the plants i could not fit into the dahlia beds, i have a few more on the allotment to do yet, plus those i bought at Todmorden, plus the 5 i had delivered this week.
That will take the total of flower buckets used past the 100 mark.

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Sounds like too much watering for my liking !!

I have 30 in 10 inch pots, thats enough for me.

Mark


WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 13/06/2010 : 22:11:47
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They seem to have had a problem with cuttings of this variety this year, Citizen


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Thats strange !! the 5 tubers I purchased from Geerlings were chucking cuttings up like there was no tomorrow, pity i didn't know i would gladly have sent you some cuttings of Citizen.

All gone now I'm afraid except for 18 plants I kept for my own needs.

How many up do you plan to grow these ? I'm growing them as a large, at 4 up, but they can also be grown as a medium.

Mark






tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 14/06/2010 : 08:37:13
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Originally posted by tel7772

Had a change of plan with the plants i were just keeping for stock this year.
They are now dual purpose stock plants, i have planted them still in their 3in pots into flower buckets, along with the plants i could not fit into the dahlia beds, i have a few more on the allotment to do yet, plus those i bought at Todmorden, plus the 5 i had delivered this week.
That will take the total of flower buckets used past the 100 mark.

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Sounds like too much watering for my liking !!

I have 30 in 10 inch pots, thats enough for me.

Mark

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Thats why i need another allotment Mark.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 14/06/2010 : 08:43:51
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They seem to have had a problem with cuttings of this variety this year, Citizen


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Thats strange !! the 5 tubers I purchased from Geerlings were chucking cuttings up like there was no tomorrow, pity i didn't know i would gladly have sent you some cuttings of Citizen.

All gone now I'm afraid except for 18 plants I kept for my own needs.

How many up do you plan to grow these ? I'm growing them as a large, at 4 up, but they can also be grown as a medium.
Mark





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I only have 3 plants Mark, they will be grown has a large, 4 up
will propagate more next year if i get another allotment.

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WoodfordDahlias6
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They seem to have had a problem with cuttings of this variety this year, Citizen


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Thats strange !! the 5 tubers I purchased from Geerlings were chucking cuttings up like there was no tomorrow, pity i didn't know i would gladly have sent you some cuttings of Citizen.

All gone now I'm afraid except for 18 plants I kept for my own needs.

How many up do you plan to grow these ? I'm growing them as a large, at 4 up, but they can also be grown as a medium.
Mark





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I only have 3 plants Mark, they will be grown has a large, 4 up
will propagate more next year if i get another allotment.

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Dont leave it too late to stop them !! they dont show a sniff of a sideshoot until stopped.

Good luck with your quest for another allotment, if its anything like around by us they get snapped up pretty quick until the culprits get fed up after a few months.

My sister started one in March, by late May, she ent been nowhere near it. I warned her, she thought her husband would do it, not a chance, your allotment, get on with it he said !!

She even thought I would water it when she was away on holiday, even though I live 30 miles away.

I think, 'NOT'




Mark


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The same thing happens on our site, they take one on, find out what hard work it is to get one back into shape after it has been left for 6 months or more,then you do not see them again.
Then it could be another 12 months before it is let again.

I am top of the waiting list now, but i informed them i only want the one next to the two we have, the tenant has not been anywhere near it for 12 months, the allotments dept have said they will contact him to ask him to give it up, but i will keep pestering them.


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 16/06/2010 : 08:50:26
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I have stopped the 3 giant varieties, I will stop half of Ruby small dec this Fri, it flowered later than some of the other small decs last year, i will stop Rossendale Peach a week later than last year, because it flowered before every thing else.
Will have to wait until a week on Sunday, before i stop anything else, because we are away for a week this Sat.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Wildlife_friendly
Mrs

4074 Posts Posted - 26/06/2010 : 14:50:53
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My two cuttings have grown into much better plants than my bought tubers. I never quite understood why you all take cuttings and give the tubers away, now it’s quite clear.

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Encouraging wildlife in Devon.


WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 27/06/2010 : 12:22:24
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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly

My two cuttings have grown into much better plants than my bought tubers. I never quite understood why you all take cuttings and give the tubers away, now it’s quite clear.

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For years I only grew dahlias from tubers, cuttings is definitly the way to go, except poms and a few other odd varieties that dont either grow well from cuttings or produce not much cutting stock, in which case just split the tubers.

Cuttings are more work, but the results speak for themselves.

Just finished double stopping the lsat of my miniatures ie:

Mary's Jomanda x 12
Blyton Royal Velvet x 12
Hapel Ideal x 2 'Trial'

Also this year i am trying Winholme Diane 'small dec' grown 6 up, double stopped, then disbranched to reduce back to 6 up. This inturn should reduce the petal rows by 2-3 and improve the petal lay.

Barry Kenyon, uses this method, so it must work.


Mark


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 28/06/2010 : 16:19:44
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quote:
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6


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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly

My two cuttings have grown into much better plants than my bought tubers. I never quite understood why you all take cuttings and give the tubers away, now it’s quite clear.

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For years I only grew dahlias from tubers, cuttings is definitly the way to go, except poms and a few other odd varieties that dont either grow well from cuttings or produce not much cutting stock, in which case just split the tubers.

Cuttings are more work, but the results speak for themselves.

Just finished double stopping the lsat of my miniatures ie:

Mary's Jomanda x 12
Blyton Royal Velvet x 12
Hapel Ideal x 2 'Trial'

Also this year i am trying Winholme Diane 'small dec' grown 6 up, double stopped, then disbranched to reduce back to 6 up. This inturn should reduce the petal rows by 2-3 and improve the petal lay.

Barry Kenyon, uses this method, so it must work.


Mark

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Yes Barry, certainly knows how to grow Winholme Diane, Mark.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 30/06/2010 : 19:45:40
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The first one of the year from an old tuber, Winholme Diane.


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 30/06/2010 : 19:53:24
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I found dahlia smut on a couple of dahlia plants this morning.
I have taken the effected leaves off and sprayed all the plants with a copper based fungicide.
It starts on the bottom leaves and works it way up the plant.


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



longs
Mr

436 Posts Posted - 30/06/2010 : 20:14:40
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6


Barry Kenyon, uses this method, so it must work.


Mark

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For Barry Kenyon yes; doesn't mean it will work for anyone else. Different soil etc.

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Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 30/06/2010 : 20:14:41
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Hang on!!....I haven't heard of this before......what conditions cause it Tel

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 01/07/2010 : 09:41:41
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The dahlia smut is caused by moist humid conditions, spread by water splash and contact.


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Wildlife_friendly
Mrs

4074 Posts Posted - 01/07/2010 : 14:49:17
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I had a bit of a panic and went outside to check mine, they are all fine. Then Tel posted about moist humid conditions, there are definitely no moist humid conditions down here.

I bought another Dahlia yesterday “The Bishop of Auckland”, I couldn’t resist the colour (and it was relatively cheap).

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Encouraging wildlife in Devon.


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 01/07/2010 : 20:15:00
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I was looking up Dahlia Smut on the Internet, i came across this site called Sarah Raven, Kitchen and Garden.
One of the posts was about dahlias, and next to the post in 2009 was a familiar picture of a pair of dirty knees.
i wonder who that could be, Pixie may know.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 01/07/2010 : 20:44:17
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quote:
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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly

I had a bit of a panic and went outside to check mine, they are all fine. Then Tel posted about moist humid conditions, there are definitely no moist humid conditions down here.

I bought another Dahlia yesterday “The Bishop of Auckland”, I couldn’t resist the colour (and it was relatively cheap).

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Ooooh lovely WF...I much prefer "Auckland" to "Landalf"......Put me down for a cutting next year...if you don't mind.....please

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 01/07/2010 : 20:47:15
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quote:
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Originally posted by tel7772

I was looking up Dahlia Smut on the Internet, i came across this site called Sarah Raven, Kitchen and Garden.
One of the posts was about dahlias, and next to the post in 2009 was a familiar picture of a pair of dirty knees.
i wonder who that could be, Pixie may know.

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It probably was....come on Piskie....own up

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


longs
Mr

436 Posts Posted - 01/07/2010 : 21:16:07
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quote:
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Originally posted by tel7772

I was looking up Dahlia Smut on the Internet

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Own Up Tel, you were really looking up 'Delia Smith'

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Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 01/07/2010 : 21:28:41
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Nice one Longs.......Like that....its good to know other dahlia growers have a sense of humour

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


Wildlife_friendly
Mrs

4074 Posts Posted - 02/07/2010 : 08:25:12
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quote:
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Originally posted by Loublou


quote:
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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly

I had a bit of a panic and went outside to check mine, they are all fine. Then Tel posted about moist humid conditions, there are definitely no moist humid conditions down here.

I bought another Dahlia yesterday “The Bishop of Auckland”, I couldn’t resist the colour (and it was relatively cheap).

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Ooooh lovely WF...I much prefer "Auckland" to "Landalf"......Put me down for a cutting next year...if you don't mind.....please

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I'd be happy to Lou.

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Encouraging wildlife in Devon.


Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 02/07/2010 : 08:48:45
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Thank you

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 02/07/2010 : 09:33:31
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quote:
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Originally posted by longs


quote:
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Originally posted by tel7772

I was looking up Dahlia Smut on the Internet

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Own Up Tel, you were really looking up 'Delia Smith'

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Shush keep it to yourself.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 02/07/2010 : 09:35:11
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Originally posted by Loublou

Nice one Longs.......Like that....its good to know other dahlia growers have a sense of humour

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How do you mean Lou, you trying to say i have not got one.lol

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 03/07/2010 : 06:54:01
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Not at all pet....lol

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


Wildlife_friendly
Mrs

4074 Posts Posted - 03/07/2010 : 10:21:51
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I treated myself to a Dahlia “Little treasure” at the beginning of the year, it has just begun to flower and I’m very disappointed. The picture was big red petals with little white petals around centre, the description read The Little Treasure produces blooms of small red and white flowers with a yellow eye.

Mine has red petals with little yellow petals around the centre. How can mine be red and yellow and not red and white? I thought all the packet tubers were grown from cuttings so they would be identical to the parent.


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Encouraging wildlife in Devon.


bists
Mr


12 Posts Posted - 03/07/2010 : 10:36:39
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Hi all,

Wondered if anyone could tell me if there are any other coloured 'Giraffe' dahlias, apart from the pink, and the normal butterscotchy looking one. I think they're stunning.

My current favourites at the moment are Nuit D'ete (gorgeous dark cactus), The Phantom (Anemone type) and Le Castel - the flowers remind me of Magnolia Stellata.

bists


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 03/07/2010 : 14:23:16
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quote:
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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly

I treated myself to a Dahlia “Little treasure” at the beginning of the year, it has just begun to flower and I’m very disappointed. The picture was big red petals with little white petals around centre, the description read The Little Treasure produces blooms of small red and white flowers with a yellow eye.

Mine has red petals with little yellow petals around the centre. How can mine be red and yellow and not red and white? I thought all the packet tubers were grown from cuttings so they would be identical to the parent.

They are grown from cuttings,then grown on for a season in small pots to form the tuber then bagged and shipped to the retailers.
Two explanations, the labeling was wrong while still grown has a pot tuber, or less likely your tuber has sported.


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 03/07/2010 : 14:26:14
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quote:
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Originally posted by bists

Hi all,

Wondered if anyone could tell me if there are any other coloured 'Giraffe' dahlias, apart from the pink, and the normal butterscotchy looking one. I think they're stunning.

My current favourites at the moment are Nuit D'ete (gorgeous dark cactus), The Phantom (Anemone type) and Le Castel - the flowers remind me of Magnolia Stellata.

bists

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Those two are the only ones available as far has i know.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



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[Tel]

"Giraffe" dahlias?....never heard of these.....will have to google.......

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 03/07/2010 : 16:08:36
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I was pleased to see that my dahlias are starting to show some significant growth at long last...As a reward I gave them a feed...will have to make a start de-branching them shortly

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


bists
Mr


12 Posts Posted - 03/07/2010 : 16:25:23
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quote:
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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly

I treated myself to a Dahlia “Little treasure” at the beginning of the year, it has just begun to flower and I’m very disappointed. The picture was big red petals with little white petals around centre, the description read The Little Treasure produces blooms of small red and white flowers with a yellow eye.

Mine has red petals with little yellow petals around the centre. How can mine be red and yellow and not red and white? I thought all the packet tubers were grown from cuttings so they would be identical to the parent.


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Either the wrong tuber has been put in the packet.....I grow loads of Dahlias for work, and frustratingly this happens more often than you would think....bang goes your colour scheme!!!

Or, sometimes dahlias from cuttings do change flower style and colour from the parent plant!!! It sounds odd as the Dahlia cutting is a clone of the parent plant, but it does happen. This can be more likely to occur with environmental stress. About 10% 0f the 400+ cuttings I grow do not have the same flowers as the parent tuber.

bists


Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 03/07/2010 : 17:27:39
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I've googled the "Giraffe" dahlia.....I want some....they are lovely.....anyone got any going spare

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 04/07/2010 : 09:17:10
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quote:
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Originally posted by bists


quote:
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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly

I treated myself to a Dahlia “Little treasure” at the beginning of the year, it has just begun to flower and I’m very disappointed. The picture was big red petals with little white petals around centre, the description read The Little Treasure produces blooms of small red and white flowers with a yellow eye.

Mine has red petals with little yellow petals around the centre. How can mine be red and yellow and not red and white? I thought all the packet tubers were grown from cuttings so they would be identical to the parent.


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Either the wrong tuber has been put in the packet.....I grow loads of Dahlias for work, and frustratingly this happens more often than you would think....bang goes your colour scheme!!!

Or, sometimes dahlias from cuttings do change flower style and colour from the parent plant!!! It sounds odd as the Dahlia cutting is a clone of the parent plant, but it does happen. This can be more likely to occur with environmental stress. About 10% 0f the 400+ cuttings I grow do not have the same flowers as the parent tuber.
bists

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That is a very high percentage bists, i have grown 1000s of dahlias and i have not had one sport from them.
Mine must be happy and content, with no stress.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



longs
Mr

436 Posts Posted - 04/07/2010 : 13:27:21
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quote:
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Originally posted by tel7772



i have grown 1000s of dahlias and i have not had one sport from them.
Mine must be happy and content, with no stress.

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and no sense of adventure

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WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 04/07/2010 : 17:26:18
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1st Flower of 2010, a very early cutting grown for tuber stock.

Jomanda - Small / miniature orabge ball.

Picture to follow:


Mark


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 04/07/2010 : 20:14:15
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Its nice to see the first one of the season Mark, then all those blooms to come.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 04/07/2010 : 21:20:16
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My first bloom of the season is Taratahiti Ruby....I have a soft spot for this one

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tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 05/07/2010 : 19:22:50
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I have a dahlia called Blyton Royal Velvet in bloom now,
Some suppliers say it is a miniature ball others say Miniature Decorative.
It will be unclassified until the classification committee meet and classify what it is.
My personal view is that, it is a miniature Decorative.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 06/07/2010 : 12:45:03
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This dahlia Twynings After Eight, maybe of interest to Steve, he likes dark foliage plants.


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 06/07/2010 : 15:53:02
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quote:
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Originally posted by tel7772

I have a dahlia called Blyton Royal Velvet in bloom now,
Some suppliers say it is a miniature ball others say Miniature Decorative.
It will be unclassified until the classification committee meet and classify what it is.
My personal view is that, it is a miniature Decorative.

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I am also growing Blyton Ropyal Velvet this year, highly recommended by a few mates.

I have 12 plants, only just starting to form tiny buds. Cant wait for them to come out.

Thought about double stopping it but it sends up loads of shoots, so I didn't bother. If the petal count is too high will definitly double stop next year !!


Mark




WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 06/07/2010 : 15:57:36
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Tel,

Just curious Tel, how many up do you grow:

Charlie Two ? '6 UP'
Trengrove Millenium ? '4/5 UP'

I'm disbranching all my plants this weekend, plus starting to disbud certain varieties that need pushing in size over time.


Mark





tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 06/07/2010 : 17:10:23
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

Tel,

Just curious Tel, how many up do you grow:

Charlie Two ? '6 UP'
Trengrove Millenium ? '4/5 UP'

I'm disbranching all my plants this weekend, plus starting to disbud certain varieties that need pushing in size over time.


Mark

Charlie Two, i grow 6 up.
Trengrove Millenium, i find they need pushing here, 4 up, not shown these for a couple of year now, i find they mark to easily here.




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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Janbrad
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1326 Posts Posted - 06/07/2010 : 19:41:10
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Originally posted by tel7772

This dahlia Twynings After Eight, maybe of interest to Steve, he likes dark foliage plants.


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That is lovely Tel . I like the dark leaved ones too. I have Bishop of Llandaff and Bishop of Canterbury.


steve
Moderator

25134 Posts Posted - 06/07/2010 : 19:52:48
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That is a Beauty and very dark Tel, one on my list now cheers

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Steve
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grindle
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15010 Posts Posted - 07/07/2010 : 05:46:20
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love that one


WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 07/07/2010 : 08:38:36
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quote:
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Originally posted by tel7772


quote:
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

Tel,

Just curious Tel, how many up do you grow:

Charlie Two ? '6 UP'
Trengrove Millenium ? '4/5 UP'

I'm disbranching all my plants this weekend, plus starting to disbud certain varieties that need pushing in size over time.


Mark

Charlie Two, i grow 6 up.
Trengrove Millenium, i find they need pushing here, 4 up, not shown these for a couple of year now, i find they mark to easily here.




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Thanks Tel, uch appreciated !!

Mark


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 07/07/2010 : 08:55:56
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Barton Royal Velvet.

The pic has not done the colour justice.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 10/07/2010 : 08:30:55
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Originally posted by tel7772

Barton Royal Velvet.

The pic has not done the colour justice.

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Looks good !!

My first year growing it. Mary Ann 'Ryecroft' said grow 14 up, double stop.

Half my plants are going this route, the other half one stop all up as it produces plenty of axil shoots.

Healthy plants even though they looked a bit scrappy when they arrived in the post. Strange how the roughest of cuttings can change in a few weeks.

She chucked in a cutting of Jean ellen 'yellow Fim' for me to try. Gastly looking cutting, seen better on the compost heap, but now 'WOW' 8 up growing like a goodun. Stagered buds, it does it on its own. Good foliage too which is a plus.

Busy staking and tying, disbranching all this weekend, crap job especially in this heat.

The Midlands hasn't seen rain for 2 months, glad there is no hose ban in my area 'YET'.

2 hrs watering every day is a real pain, but I didn't do so much last year and suffered badly with petal wilt and powdery mildew.


Mark








tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 10/07/2010 : 10:33:12
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I have got all that debranching to do yet Mark, but your first show is earlier than mine.
September is my show season.
I am hoping the majority of blooms will be out mid Sept.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 12/07/2010 : 14:44:36
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One of the 4 seedling dahlias i kept from last season, is in flower now, not quite out 100% will post a pic in a couple of days i think.
I do not believe it will make exhibition standards, will see how it stands the rain today, if it comes through that, it could make a very nice garden dahlia.
It would in my opinion be classed as a Miniature Decorative.
Out of the other 3 seedlings i cannot wait to see what the seedling ball dahlia looks like this season.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 13/07/2010 : 15:24:36
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De-branched most of the dahlias today, just the kiwi's to do now.
A lot of growers will have done theirs already, for the August shows.
All mine are aimed for the Harrogate Show this year in mid September, followed by the Leeds Paxton show, those two are some of the larger shows for a dahlia grower, so any ready for earlier smaller shows this year will be a bonus.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 13/07/2010 : 17:38:27
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These dahlias have now taken up squatters rights in the allotment next to ours.


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 13/07/2010 : 17:44:58
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One of the second year seedlings, Terracotta in colour not sure yet if it should be kept for the garden or compost heap.


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



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