Dahlias 2010 season

[Tel]

If i get up early enough tomorrow and the old forum is still working,
i will try to move last seasons dahlia topic to here.

Glad to see i can modify or delete a first posting on this forum we could not do that on the old one.

[Geranium]

That would be great if you can, Tel - I enjoyed reading it.

[grindle]

hope you can Tel, you don't want to lose all that work you did

[Geranium]

Another message en route, G!

[Tel]

Copied and pasted over from the old forum, some of it will not make any sense, because copying and pasting, did not move the pics to go with it.

tel7772
Mr

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Will be making a start of cleaning the dahlia pot tubers up tomorrow.
Taking off the rat tails and any part of the tuber growing through the drainage holes in the 3in plant pots, will have to be cut off and the resultant cut dusted with yellow/green sulphur, to stop any rot.
The five giants will be placed in the electric propagator to start them into life, the rest will e placed on the heated bench later on.


May i wish Everyone a Happy Dahlia Growing New Year

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 03/01/2010 : 12:09:51
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From this


To this in the next 9 months


Giants to be cleaned up


Rat tails to be removed


Cleaned up


Ready to be placed in the propagator


All the giants set up.


Help i could not resize some of the pics



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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Cherry
Moderator

13929 Posts Posted - 03/01/2010 : 12:18:53
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Don't worry Tel. Steve will be along soon.

They are excellent pictures which show just what needs to be done. I am glad I don't have those big dahlias because I don't have heat in my greenhouse.


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 03/01/2010 : 16:14:22
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Thanks for re-sizing the pics for me Steve.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 03/01/2010 : 16:20:59
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Originally posted by Cherry

Don't worry Tel. Steve will be along soon.

They are excellent pictures which show just what needs to be done. I am glad I don't have those big dahlias because I don't have heat in my greenhouse.

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I like to set up the giants earlier than the rest, i find the first cutting material too thick and they are hard to root.
The second flush of cuttings are easier to root.
I wonder if Derek has the same problem with Sir Alf Ramsey.

The Winholme Diane and the rest of the Diane varieties are the same
The easiest i find are the Kiwi varieties to strike from cuttings.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 03/01/2010 : 17:00:12
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I will make a note of all this Tel..... I hope you have a marvelous season in 2010...

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


Cherry
Moderator

13929 Posts Posted - 03/01/2010 : 17:14:15
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My Kiwi (I can't remember the name) did not do well, so I will have to nurse it along when I bring it into growth.


Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 04/01/2010 : 08:40:31
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My Kiwis.....Deborah and Trelyn were very slow for me last year and didn't flower till late in the season. I have made a note to disbud etc much earlier than I did last year.

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 04/01/2010 : 19:52:52
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Glad to hear you are keeping notes Lou they can come in very handy.

PS if you keep the notes, i will not have to bother i will just refer to yours.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 04/01/2010 : 20:43:34
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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


derekbrooks
Tree


2530 Posts Posted - 04/01/2010 : 22:19:27
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I do occasionaly have the problem you mentioned above,Tel I just cut them off and wait for the second flush.I will be setting mine up in a week or two.


DahliaMan
Mr

117 Posts Posted - 10/01/2010 : 10:50:04
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Hello Loublou
I was interested in what you say about the Kiwi's in it late flowering. Although where you live would make a difference and for general gardening this wouldn't be such a factor, for exhibitio it certainly is one.
I have grown the 3 Kiwi's of Gloria/Trelyn/Deborah. They can be late flowering so I plant out as big a plants as I have usually being 3rd/4th week March cuttings (whereas Kelsae Carla I would using 1st/2nd week April cuttings, very small plants). I consider the best for exhibition is Trelyn for its even colouring on the stage, then Gloria, but Deborah's colouring is gorgeous but 'streaky'. Growing methos is the same for them thou.
Kiwi's are experienced exhibitor dahlias and took me several years before I was happy with them now 1/4 my plants are Trelyn's.
For ease of growth I would go for Kelsae Carla as a better all rounder.
Regards, Paul


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Paul
from Cornwall, South West England



WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 10/01/2010 : 13:07:26
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GROWING UP

Could someone be so kind as to to explain to me the basic art of growing up as i am a little confused.

For example:

If I wanted to grow a small 'Single Stop' 8 up, would this mean I would stop after a plant has 4 pairs of leaves resulting in a lateral coming from each leaf axial.

How do you uniform plants to grow say 10 up without double stopping, would this mean stopping after 5 pairs of leaves and again a lateral coming from each leaf axial.

Any explantation would be gratefully recieved,


Mark



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 10/01/2010 : 15:39:55
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

GROWING UP

Could someone be so kind as to to explain to me the basic art of growing up as i am a little confused.

For example:

If I wanted to grow a small 'Single Stop' 8 up, would this mean I would stop after a plant has 4 pairs of leaves resulting in a lateral coming from each leaf axial.

Hi Mark,
I stop all my plants in two stages, if i have 20 plants of one variety, i stop half the last weekend in June the other half the first weekend in July, except for giants depending on the variety that could be the last weekend in May and the first weekend in June.

Take the small variety i stop them by taking out the main growing point,but my plants may have 6 pairs of leaves that would give me 12 laterals, when these laterals have grown to about a foot long, i then reduce them to the number required for that variety ie 8, by taking off the 4 weakest stems leaving the thickest ones this is where you get your best blooms from.
This method of stopping my plants on these two weekends give me enough blooms to cover my shows from the last weekend in August to the first weekend in October.
If my first show was mid August i would be looking at stopping them in the first and second week of June.

You have to remember unless you take all your cuttings at the same time plants will be at different growth stages.

I would also suggest you keep notes of everything you do then if a variety is either late or too early coming into bloom for a show, next year you can adjust your stopping times.



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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 10/01/2010 : 17:15:07
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Thanks for that Tel,

I may have now seen the light, its always a subject that has had me a bit foxed.

Mark


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 10/01/2010 : 17:20:28
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

Thanks for that Tel,

I may have now seen the light, its always a subject that has had me a bit foxed.

Mark

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Your welcome Mark.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 10/01/2010 : 17:21:10
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Kenora Chalenger,

Tel,looking at your previous posted pics you obviously grow this variety ?

For 2010, I plan to grow these 4 up, and disbud wingbuds and 3 pairs of sideshoots below the main bud.

Can you advise differently ? and what kind of stopping dates do you recommend for Mid Aug - Mid Sept shows.


Mark


Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 10/01/2010 : 18:07:48
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Glad you saw Mark's queries Tel.....you explain them much better than what I do......

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 10/01/2010 : 19:17:45
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quote:
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

Kenora Chalenger,

Tel,looking at your previous posted pics you obviously grow this variety ?

For 2010, I plan to grow these 4 up, and disbud wingbuds and 3 pairs of sideshoots below the main bud.

Can you advise differently ? and what kind of stopping dates do you recommend for Mid Aug - Mid Sept shows.


Mark

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Yes you are right to grow them 4 up, disbud the wing buds and i would take all the side shoots out.

Stopping times, i stop mine end of June beginning of July, but i need mine for mid Sept onwards for the bigger shows, Kenora Challenger is what they call a mid season variety, i would think you would be looking at stopping them end of May beginning of June time, for mid August.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 10/01/2010 : 20:19:53
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Once again thanks Tel,

How glad I am I found this forum last night while surfing for new dahlia sites.

While most of my threads will be for information seeking i hope to also add my experiences to this forum.

Excellent, stuff.

Mark


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 11/01/2010 : 15:23:02
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Glad you found us Mark, am sure the other forum members are too. Derek, Sweetpea and Lou grow or have grown Dahlias.
Another forum member called Longs, won a couple of Championships At the national dahlia show a few years ago, but he has not been on here for a while now.



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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



DahliaMan
Mr

117 Posts Posted - 11/01/2010 : 18:51:26
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Hello Mark
I am delighted you are growing/showing dahlias and reading your questions I consider you are thinking on the right lines and raising queries that exhibitors have. One possible problem all exhibitors face is not enough blooms to choose from for the forthcoming show. A method I employ with Kelsae Carla (u/c) is one known as 'knockback' because although I plant out tiny plants with say 2 pairs leaves it always rockets away. Therefore having grown it for several years and gotten to know it's habits, after stopping the blooms are still to early. I then remove the centre buds of each stem (grown 7 up) and grown the bloom on one of the wing buds or a lower shoot down. This delaying method spreads the bloom production out to hopefully provide for show day. This method is also commonly known as the 'Spencer Method' after master showman Dave.
I have found dahlia growing to be not an exact science and cultivars can vary year on year. I consider sound record keeping is as important as a correctly labelled plant, and I have kept records of every single dahlia grown over the past 15 years, firstly by pen and paper and more recent years using a computer and a simple Excel spreadsheet.
Regards, Paul

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Paul
from Cornwall, South West England



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 11/01/2010 : 20:15:16
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Hi Paul, i have never grown the Kelsae Carla, do you use it in the cactus multi vase classes?
I cannot see it competing with the kiwi's on its own.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 11/01/2010 : 20:42:55
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Sir Alf Ramsey has been "tidied up" and placed in the heated propagator...

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 12/01/2010 : 08:46:10
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Hi,

Reading some of your threads it appears most are starting to wake their tubers up. ?

This year I will be growing a few giants ie:

Sir Alf's - Giant Dec
Rose Jupiter - Giant Semi-Cactus
J**** Amy - Giant Semi-Cactus

Would I be right in saying I should contemplate waking the buggers up, that is if giants need to be started early.

Most of my other tubers will be 2nd week in Feb, except Oakwood Goldcrest which apparently is a devil to get started and does not always kick on like most varieties.

This will be my 1st year trying to propagate my own, rather than lining Halls, Ryecroft, Staion House etc pockets. Dont get me wrong I have always been reasonable happy with the majority of the plants recieved from any of the above. Halls are a bit slow, and you dont always get what you ordered,as in wrongly labelled plants.

I have three 3m heat cables which will be wired to one thermostat to feed 3 covered, but vented propagators.

The other 2 are 6m cables which will be used to warm up the tubers via 5 inch deep gravel trays.

A mate in Sunderland advised me not to put too much heat under the cuttings, 15 degrees no more, or damping off becomes a problem.

What kind of temp do you apply to the tubers, the same or a bit more ?

Any other tips ? what about watering of the cuttings, I have been told only to spray them with tepid water and not to water direct. Is this true ?

I also will be using some suspended floreascent lighting initially on about 16 hours per day gradually reducing as the days get longer.

Am I going in the right direction ? Your advice would be most appreciated.


Mark


sweetpea
Tree

8797 Posts Posted - 12/01/2010 : 15:34:04
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Re the stopping of dahlias. Unfortunately I don't have any notes now as stuff got lost in house move so relying on memory here.
As I had enough room to grow my plants I would stop a few varieties over stages. Like half a dozen one week then another a week or so later. this usually meant that some (sufficient)blooms would be available for the shows I entered. Usually local shows. I never tried the national with dahlias, only sweetpeas.
as to growing so many up. The tendency would be the smaller the bloom then the more stems I would leave on. So for giants I would grow One or Two up and poms 5, 6 or even 7. That is where the benefit of taking notes comes in. By all means try different methods and see what works for you,

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[Tel]

Giants Mark, wake the buggers up, lol
i have my temperature on the heated bench set at 18 degrees, and i have tubers and cuttings on the same bench.

I found because i do not have my cuttings enclosed in a propagator i only have the odd ones damp off, but i did find a lot of mine in the propagator did damp off with the lid on, i now leave the lid off.

I do not use artificial light, only because i do not grow many giants, so i did not think it was worth spending money on installing it. all the other dahlia cuttings have done ok without.

I do spray my cuttings with tepid water it keeps them perky, but i also water with tepid water if the compost is drying out because once a cutting flops not even Viagra will help.

This is my bench with the tubers set up last year.


Then the same bench with tubers and cuttings together, notice the cuttings are not covered


A closer look at some cuttings fom last year.




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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 12/01/2010 : 17:22:53
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Thanks for the images and info tel. What kind of compost mix do you use for the cuttings ?

I was thinking of 1 part peat, 1 part JI no 2, and one part perlite. perhaps a sprinkle of silver sand around the dibbed hole to give the roots something to bite into when you insert them ? Is this a good mix or can someone advise differently.

When should my mediums, smalls and miniatures be started into life. I am going to leave my collleretes and waterlillys till mid feb as they always weem to be further along than the rest.

My Charlie Two's and Alfs Mascot's looked great last year, so maybe early Feb for them.

Kenora Chalenger is a new one to me,although I grew quite a lot of purchased plants of it last year so I want to trial striking my own cuttings this season

Mark


DahliaMan
Mr

117 Posts Posted - 12/01/2010 : 17:24:12
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Hello there
I grow and name Kelsae Carla as a far easier dahlia to grow than the Kiwi's. While it is perfectly true to say many of my winning exhibits/vases have been of the Kiwi types (Trelyn/Gloria) I consider them for the more experienced exhibitor to attainnthe best results. Kelsae Carla on the upside is an easy grower and I have attained Best In Show awards with it against a host of Kiwi's including my own. On the downside I have to say their is more than enough wastage of unusable blooms and in hot weather if can suffer from 'fimming' of the petals. Where a new exhibitor comes on board I tend to steer them away from the Kiwi's and look to easier growers so hopefully they arent put off and are then bitten by the bug. I would always recommend the 'Cupids' as easy growers for the beginner and I have to say the Weston Pirate won a place in muy heart for its utter consistency.
Regards, Paul


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Originally posted by tel7772

Hi Paul, i have never grown the Kelsae Carla, do you use it in the cactus multi vase classes?
I cannot see it competing with the kiwi's on its own.

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Paul
from Cornwall, South West England



Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 12/01/2010 : 19:39:45
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Oops must take the lid of the propagator....thanks Tel.....to the rescue again


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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 12/01/2010 : 20:09:40
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Originally posted by Loublou

Oops must take the lid of the propagator....thanks Tel.....to the rescue again


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Lou the tubers will be ok, its the cuttings i find damp off when the lid is on.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 12/01/2010 : 20:16:54
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quote:
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

Thanks for the images and info tel. What kind of compost mix do you use for the cuttings ?

I was thinking of 1 part peat, 1 part JI no 2, and one part perlite. perhaps a sprinkle of silver sand around the dibbed hole to give the roots something to bite into when you insert them ? Is this a good mix or can someone advise differently.

When should my mediums, smalls and miniatures be started into life. I am going to leave my collleretes and waterlillys till mid feb as they always weem to be further along than the rest.

My Charlie Two's and Alfs Mascot's looked great last year, so maybe early Feb for them.

Kenora Chalenger is a new one to me,although I grew quite a lot of purchased plants of it last year so I want to trial striking my own cuttings this season

Mark

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Use what compost works for you Mark, i use the normal general potting compost with the woody bits sieved out.
Some growers use peat and sharp sand, others use John Innes No1
or peat and perlite
I forgot to mention maybe because i do it automatically shade your cuttings from the Sun or they will wilt, i use sheets of newspaper over them.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 12/01/2010 : 20:46:05
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quote:
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Originally posted by tel7772


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Originally posted by Loublou

Oops must take the lid of the propagator....thanks Tel.....to the rescue again


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Lou the tubers will be ok, its the cuttings i find damp off when the lid is on.

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Oky doky....will wait till they start to sprout....

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 14/01/2010 : 10:17:49
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Just had a look through The Harrogate Show Schedule 2010 for dahlia classes.
There is a few changes from the 2009 schedule, i noticed informal and formal Decoratives classes are now just classed as decorative classes, informal and formal are not separated now, so we are back to how it was prior to 2009.

There is a couple of additions to this years Schedule, Class 16 is The Open Centre Championship, for Collerette and/or Star (single orchid) Three distinct cultivars, five blooms of each, each cultivar in one vase.

Class 28. is The Under 100 Plants CHALLENGE.
Only growers who grow 100 plants or less can enter this class.
That counts me out of that one.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 14/01/2010 : 15:44:47
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You don't have to tell them Tel
What is the point of this class? apart from having less blooms to choose from....or is that the point...if you know what I mean

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 16/01/2010 : 17:16:01
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Alf's Mascot and Charlie Two, when should I be looking at starting my tubers off.

Is it too early yet ?

Kenora Chalenger is another I'm worried to start too early !!

any recommendations from our more experienced growers who are familiar with these varieties ?

Mark


DahliaMan
Mr

117 Posts Posted - 16/01/2010 : 20:04:44
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Hi Mark
Personally I dont put tubers over the heated bench at differing times as I always carry this out mid-February, taking a day or two annual leave from work allowing me a nicelong weekend. I've tried differing composts and of recent years I favour the Peat based Multi Purpose with Added Jon Innes. The composts I have used and recommend are Westlands or Bullrush as I find them nboth consistent year on year (and both are obtainable locally). Ive tried different composts with mixed results. I put a 4 inch layer of compost in 'fish boxes' over paraffin heaters, and then I water this thoroughly with Maxicrop growth stimulant. After 24 hours I place the tubers on this layer ensuring they are nestled in the compost and cover over with more compost leaving the crown and a little tuber exposed. I then water in around them using Maxicrop ensuring water doesnt go in the crown so lessening chances of rot. I do not water again for about 10 - 12 days,however using a sprayer with tepid water I spray lightly on the tuber where the 'eyes' will emerge from. Check my website for more in depth information. My dahlia methods have to fit in around my working, so I dont have time to place tubers on the benches at varying times.
Regards, Paul


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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

Alf's Mascot and Charlie Two, when should I be looking at starting my tubers off.

Is it too early yet ?

Kenora Chalenger is another I'm worried to start too early !!

any recommendations from our more experienced growers who are familiar with these varieties ?

Mark

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Paul
from Cornwall, South West England



derekbrooks
Tree


2530 Posts Posted - 16/01/2010 : 20:16:44
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Because I show dahlias every week throughout the season I dont bother about stopping dates for particular shows.I stop them as soon as they are ready.
Somebody mentioned "Kenora Challenger"above.I find it difficult to get it to size.I will have to restrict it more in future.I also grow "White moonlight"which is similar but is only a medium.One year because my kenora challengers weren,t big enough I couldn,t tell them from white moonlights.I thought I had probably labelled the wrong and they were all moonlights.I showed a vase of equal sized blooms at a show as "white moonlight" but one of the blooms was a "kenora challenger"and the judge could tell and so I got the dreaded N.A.S.


WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 17/01/2010 : 11:30:35
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POM POMS

While the growing of pom poms is not really my thing I will be looking to grow a couple of varieties this year.

ie: Oreti Duke and Gurtla Twilight

I grew a few Rhonda cuttings last year which did OK, but the stems didn't seem long enough.

A friend said pom's grow better from tubers and even though I double stopped them they still were nearly on the top limit size wise.

Any suggestions on their culture, stopping, disbudding etc would be gratefully recieved.

Thanks


Mark


WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 17/01/2010 : 17:11:22
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Today I have taken the heed and started off my giants:

Elma E
Rose Jupiter
Sir Alf Ramsey.
Janel Amy.

I'm lucky to have a large heated conservatory, with bottom heat 'low' via heat cables.

Will start my other large and mediums in two weeks with smalls, colleretes and miniatures two weeks after that.

This will be my 1st year striking my own cuttings from proven tubers saved from 2009.

Fingers crossed !!


Mark







tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 17/01/2010 : 18:05:58
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I grew Charlie two for the first time last season, i stopped half the plants end of June the other half first weekend in July.
I thought they were very late flowering, i did not have a bloom out until around te 20th Sept.
I will try stopping them around the 2nd and 3rd week of June this year.

I have never grown Alf's Mascot so i am afraid i do not know its growing habits.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 17/01/2010 : 18:08:23
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quote:
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

POM POMS

While the growing of pom poms is not really my thing I will be looking to grow a couple of varieties this year.

ie: Oreti Duke and Gurtla Twilight

I grew a few Rhonda cuttings last year which did OK, but the stems didn't seem long enough.

A friend said pom's grow better from tubers and even though I double stopped them they still were nearly on the top limit size wise.

Any suggestions on their culture, stopping, disbudding etc would be gratefully recieved.

Thanks


Mark

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I only grow one pom, Moorplace i grow that from ground tubers, and i find the first flush can be ovesize.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 17/01/2010 : 18:11:27
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quote:
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Originally posted by derekbrooks

Because I show dahlias every week throughout the season I dont bother about stopping dates for particular shows.I stop them as soon as they are ready.
Somebody mentioned "Kenora Challenger"above.I find it difficult to get it to size.I will have to restrict it more in future.I also grow "White moonlight"which is similar but is only a medium.One year because my kenora challengers weren,t big enough I couldn,t tell them from white moonlights.I thought I had probably labelled the wrong and they were all moonlights.I showed a vase of equal sized blooms at a show as "white moonlight" but one of the blooms was a "kenora challenger"and the judge could tell and so I got the dreaded N.A.S.

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I grow my Kenora Challenger 4 up but i dis bud every lateral.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 17/01/2010 : 18:25:27
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Spent nearly six hours over the last 2 days taking the pot tubers out of their pots, cleaning them up, then setting them up on the heated bench.


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



DahliaMan
Mr

117 Posts Posted - 17/01/2010 : 19:06:43
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I haven't grown Pompons (commonly called Poms) for some 5 years. In general I would grow them from split tubers as these will naturally produce more stems thus taking the 'steam' out if the resultant blooms. Poms can be difficult to keep down in size so I would lightly feed them, and as regards stopping I would always employ a double stop and even a triple stop dependant on cultivar. This is general advice and again good record keeping is paramount.
Regards, Paul

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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

POM POMS

While the growing of pom poms is not really my thing I will be looking to grow a couple of varieties this year.

ie: Oreti Duke and Gurtla Twilight

I grew a few Rhonda cuttings last year which did OK, but the stems didn't seem long enough.

A friend said pom's grow better from tubers and even though I double stopped them they still were nearly on the top limit size wise.

Any suggestions on their culture, stopping, disbudding etc would be gratefully recieved.

Thanks


Mark

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Paul
from Cornwall, South West England



DahliaMan
Mr

117 Posts Posted - 17/01/2010 : 19:15:53
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Hello
I grew Kenora Challenger for several years. I grew them 4 up and stripped all other shoots. I used them for multi-vase work as do many Cornish growers entering the Championship class. I found it inconsistent in that on a good year I had a choice of 4 blooms allowing me a single for the Championship and the remaining 3 winning in the Giant Cactus/Semi Class. The last couple of years I grew it I continued to have no problem with bloom size, however the stems were too rubbery and I tried different feeds, little feeds, straight potash without any noticable differance. This year I am trying Kenora Jubilee although I am aware it doesnt have the form of Challenger yet I am hoping to return to the Championship class once more (The Penhill Class being my priority calling for 9 x small cactus/semi).
Regards, Paul

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Originally posted by derekbrooks

Because I show dahlias every week throughout the season I dont bother about stopping dates for particular shows.I stop them as soon as they are ready.
Somebody mentioned "Kenora Challenger"above.I find it difficult to get it to size.I will have to restrict it more in future.I also grow "White moonlight"which is similar but is only a medium.One year because my kenora challengers weren,t big enough I couldn,t tell them from white moonlights.I thought I had probably labelled the wrong and they were all moonlights.I showed a vase of equal sized blooms at a show as "white moonlight" but one of the blooms was a "kenora challenger"and the judge could tell and so I got the dreaded N.A.S.

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 17/01/2010 : 19:26:45
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I'm an avid 'Charlie Two' fan, great blooms for a formal medium dec, strong growth and stems, good foliage which in turn means they need plenty of watering ie: at least twice a week or every other day in hot weather.

I stopped mine 3rd weekend in May last year resulting in blooms coming by 2nd week in August. This year stopping will be 1st weekend in June on the 1st batch and then a week later on the 2nd batch.

Charlie two are heavy plants, so plenty of support is needed even though they dont grow that tall,3-4ft. I grow 6 up disbudding the wings and 2 pairs below the terminal bud.

Disbranching by means of removing the lowest ones to aid air circulation, due to their dense foliage.

Mark


Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 17/01/2010 : 20:59:10
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Spent nearly six hours over the last 2 days taking the pot tubers out of their pots, cleaning them up, then setting them up on the heated bench.


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Well done you....am hoping to get mine done this week

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 18/01/2010 : 20:41:34
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I will have to go down to the greenhouse on the allotment this weekend and check the dahlia ground tubers to see if they have turned to mush after these minus 10 temperatures we have had.

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 18/01/2010 : 20:57:12
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Fingers crossed they are ok

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DahliaMan
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117 Posts Posted - 18/01/2010 : 23:43:52
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I always maintain a single parrafin heaterday and night whilst the tubers are in storage and together with the fact O keep them intact I rarely lose a single tuber.
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I will have to go down to the greenhouse on the allotment this weekend and check the dahlia ground tubers to see if they have turned to mush after these minus 10 temperatures we have had.

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[Tel]

i said i was going to try and grow dahia's this year i've never
grown them before i bought half a dozen this year just to see
how i get on will they do well in sun? or shade what type of soil
is it best to put some grit in before planting whats the best feed?
do i put them in trays to start them now? sorry just want to get it
right oh yes they are purple gem, garden wonder, and alfred grille,
any advice would be appreciated


Cherry
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13929 Posts Posted - 19/01/2010 : 10:59:00
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Good morning Tadpole. I don't think we will see Tel until he comes home from work. Those dahlias look pretty, especially Garden Wonder. Do you have a greenhouse?


tadpole
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1150 Posts Posted - 19/01/2010 : 13:10:46
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hi cherry yes but not in use at moment it got ripped to pieces
with the winds we got waiting for a bit better weather to fix
it so all my seedlings are in spare room at moment lost alot
of delphiniums and lupins so am busy sowing more this week


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 19/01/2010 : 19:21:07
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quote:
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Originally posted by tadpole

i said i was going to try and grow dahia's this year i've never
grown them before i bought half a dozen this year just to see
how i get on will they do well in sun? or shade what type of soil
is it best to put some grit in before planting whats the best feed?
do i put them in trays to start them now? sorry just want to get it
right oh yes they are purple gem, garden wonder, and alfred grille,
any advice would be appreciated

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Hi Tadpole, Dahlias are sun lovers but grow ok if they receive sun for part of the day.
They will grow in any well drained soil, they do not like to be waterlogged, but like plenty of water through out the season.

I find the best time for planting tubers is the beginning of May then they will be through when the frosts have finished.
But remember Slugs&Snails love young dahlia shoots, i know a lot of gardeners do not like to use slug pellets, i find that is the only thing that will protect my dahlias until they have made plenty of growth.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tadpole
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1150 Posts Posted - 19/01/2010 : 19:43:10
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thanks tel but what is best for feed i use miracle grow for all my plants and veggies do they need someting more substantial? i also put down blood and bone before i plant anything will that do?


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 19/01/2010 : 20:03:31
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thanks tel but what is best for feed i use miracle grow for all my plants and veggies do they need someting more substantial? i also put down blood and bone before i plant anything will that do?

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Sorry i forgot to answer that question, a senior moment.
Because i grow mine for shows i feed mine with chempac No2 in June
chempac No3 in July then chempac No4 August onwards for the flowers and tuber formation.

But if i were growing them for garden display miracle grow would be ok but if you grow tomatoes i would use tomato feed from September onwards, with this been high in potash, it will help in building up the tubers for next year.
Hope i was some help to you.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 19/01/2010 : 20:24:57
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Have you heard about Chemak going into administration Tel....? eek!!!

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tadpole
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1150 Posts Posted - 19/01/2010 : 20:58:30
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yes thanks tel very helpful


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 21/01/2010 : 06:23:47
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Have you heard about Chemak going into administration Tel....? eek!!!

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Not seen anything about that Lou.
Will be going to renew my membership at two local Horticultural Societies this weekend, will have to see what chempac they have in stock.

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 21/01/2010 : 08:22:36
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I hadn't heard it from "official" sources....just the chaps at the allotment shed were talking about it. The people your end may have heard somethig?

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117 Posts Posted - 23/01/2010 : 09:24:28
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Hi
Please check out my website (Paul's Dahlia Guide) for explanation of my methods including feeds used. I prefer Maxicrop products rather than chemical feeds such as Chempak and Phostrogen etc. They mix readily and dont leave a sediment in the can and dahlias thrive on the seaweed extract. I have a Contacts page also to answer any queries or give further advice.
Regards, Paul


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Originally posted by tadpole

i said i was going to try and grow dahia's this year i've never
grown them before i bought half a dozen this year just to see
how i get on will they do well in sun? or shade what type of soil
is it best to put some grit in before planting whats the best feed?
do i put them in trays to start them now? sorry just want to get it
right oh yes they are purple gem, garden wonder, and alfred grille,
any advice would be appreciated

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Paul
from Cornwall, South West England



WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 23/01/2010 : 17:25:46
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On wednesday night was the Midlands Dahlia Society annual tuber sale whereby members can donate and buy surplus dahlia tubers. The proceeds of which go towards the society.

I believe the evening raised over £600, which was excellent. Prices varied from £1 to £6 per tuber, Blyton Royal Velvet being the most expensive due to it being a farely new variety that was well in demand.

I bought several different varieties of which one was Narrows Tricia which can be grown as a large or medium "Semi Cactus".

Does anyone have any advise on this variety with regards growing ie, how many up, stopping dates and disbudding.Plus any other useful tips which might help me.

I would prefer to grow it as a medium, possibly 5-6 up. It has good form and is a lovely primrose yellow in colour.


Mark


DahliaMan
Mr

117 Posts Posted - 23/01/2010 : 17:34:27
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Hello
Re: Narrows Tricia
I grew this one in 2008 as a Large as follows:
Stopping: 11th June,Stems secured: 6up,Disbudding:Wings&next 3 pairs
I found it as a natural large winning for me Best Bloom In Show at our main county dahlia show. However I dropped it last year because it was poor in terms of cuttings produced and it marks badly in less than favourable weather. I consider if you can grow the Moonlights (we cant in Cornwall it seems) then it will now compare, so I recomment it as a natural large. If you are looking to grow an alternative medium semi-cactus then I predict a sound future for Susan Gilliott.
Trust this helps.
Regards, Paul


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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

On wednesday night was the Midlands Dahlia Society annual tuber sale whereby members can donate and buy surplus dahlia tubers. The proceeds of which go towards the society.

I believe the evening raised over £600, which was excellent. Prices varied from £1 to £6 per tuber, Blyton Royal Velvet being the most expensive due to it being a farely new variety that was well in demand.

I bought several different varieties of which one was Narrows Tricia which can be grown as a large or medium "Semi Cactus".

Does anyone have any advise on this variety with regards growing ie, how many up, stopping dates and disbudding.Plus any other useful tips which might help me.

I would prefer to grow it as a medium, possibly 5-6 up. It has good form and is a lovely primrose yellow in colour.


Mark

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 23/01/2010 : 17:54:29
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Thanks for that Paul.

Susan Gilliot won a major class at the MDS annual show last year, not really my colour, but good stems, full blooms which I was told stand the weather with no covers.

The weather was pants at the end of August but he still turned out 3 cracking blooms in light of this.

I also have a couple of tubers of Citizen, but petel count is poor for a medium so these will be ousted out to a neighbour for garden colour only.

I might just give Narrows Tricia a try and see what happens, can you recommend a good medium semi catus, what about Craigowan or Primrose Pastelle ?


Mark


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 23/01/2010 : 19:33:13
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I would recommend two, Cream Moonlight for a warm dry summer, or Grenidor Pastelle for a cool and damp summer.

Susan Gilliot was bred my a mate of mine, Alf Rogers, and it was in the trials at Golden Acre Park in Leeds. When i was speaking to a couple of the Northern Committee they were telling me they did not think the blooms in the trial were deep enough.
I do not know if any exhibitor entered it at the two big dahlia shows or not, but there is no record of it winning or been placed in any of the classes.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 23/01/2010 : 22:34:03
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Hi Tel,

MDS, being the Midland Dahlia Society, not the National Dahlia Society.Paul Harvey one the class at the MDS show.I have attached the link as below for your reference.

www.dahlia-mds.co.uk/Annual_Show/annualshow09.htm

I'm after a universal medium semi cactus, one that might be OK with no covers and one that can cope with a variance of summer conditions.

I can only grow about 200 plants spread accross a range of catagories, so I have to run with proven varieties, of which only about 20 plants will be in the medium semi cactus range.

I quite like the look of:

Ruskin Bride.
Primrose Pastelle
Peach Delight.


Mark




steve
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25134 Posts Posted - 23/01/2010 : 23:08:50
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Just to say although my own interest only goes as far as the dark leaved varieties this has to have emerged as the best dahlia thread available on the internet today!

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Steve
In Ilkeston


WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 23/01/2010 : 23:12:10
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Excellent, only wish I had found it ages ago.


Mark


sweetpea
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8797 Posts Posted - 24/01/2010 : 00:12:40
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quote:
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Originally posted by steve

Just to say although my own interest only goes as far as the dark leaved varieties this has to have emerged as the best dahlia thread available on the internet today!

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Years ago I used to grow dahlia 'Redskin' from seed. A dwarf edging variety with (mostly) dark leaves.
Not sure if it is still available but it did well in the right position.

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DahliaMan
Mr

117 Posts Posted - 24/01/2010 : 11:50:54
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Hello
In Cornwall whoever you speak to cannot grow the Moonlights here which is a shame because I consider them the most formationally perfect of the MSC. However, of the Pastelle's I recommend Primrose Pastelle (8up,remove wings&3pairs down)because of it's even colouring making it more suitable for exhibition work and I found it didnt seem to suffer the 'fimming' problems of some others. I still think Grenadore Pastelle is a good one for exhibition (I have also grown, Gill's/White/Barbarra's). I have also had sucess with Staleen Condessa (6up,remove wing&3pairs)which on it's day is a very good MSC but to me is to inconsistent and getting cutting's is a nightmare. So after trialling 2 Susan Gilliott last year I have ordered in more from Halls as I dont know how it will be in terms of making cuttings. I found Susan to have very full blooms (as a bonus I love the colour) and am giving her a serious go this year. I am foremost a small cactus grower, however I think a vase of 3xMSC looks fantastic staged.
Trust this helps.
Regards, Paul


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Thanks for that Paul.

Susan Gilliot won a major class at the MDS annual show last year, not really my colour, but good stems, full blooms which I was told stand the weather with no covers.

The weather was pants at the end of August but he still turned out 3 cracking blooms in light of this.

I also have a couple of tubers of Citizen, but petel count is poor for a medium so these will be ousted out to a neighbour for garden colour only.

I might just give Narrows Tricia a try and see what happens, can you recommend a good medium semi catus, what about Craigowan or Primrose Pastelle ?


Mark

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from Cornwall, South West England



tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 24/01/2010 : 12:47:38
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Originally posted by steve

Just to say although my own interest only goes as far as the dark leaved varieties this has to have emerged as the best dahlia thread available on the internet today!
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I hope members who do not grow dahlia's look in also. i do from time to time.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 24/01/2010 : 12:50:19
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quote:
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Originally posted by sweetpea


quote:
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Originally posted by steve

Just to say although my own interest only goes as far as the dark leaved varieties this has to have emerged as the best dahlia thread available on the internet today!

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Years ago I used to grow dahlia 'Redskin' from seed. A dwarf edging variety with (mostly) dark leaves.
Not sure if it is still available but it did well in the right position.

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Seeds of this bedding variety are still available from Chiltern seeds.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 25/01/2010 : 20:29:54
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The giant varieties i set up in the propagator are now showing signs of life.
So glad Pink Jupiter and Rose Jupiter came through the storage period,
has i only had 2 tubers of Pink Jupiter and 1 tuber of Rose Jupiter.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



sweetpea
Tree

8797 Posts Posted - 25/01/2010 : 20:46:31
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[quoteYears ago I used to grow dahlia 'Redskin' from seed. A dwarf edging variety with (mostly) dark leaves.
Not sure if it is still available but it did well in the right position.
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Seeds of this bedding variety are still available from Chiltern seeds.[/quote]
So I have noticed Tel. The thing about mixed dahlia seed is that you can save the tubers of the varieties/colours you like and propagate from them knowing what they will be like.

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tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 26/01/2010 : 19:09:53
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Originally posted by sweetpea

[quoteYears ago I used to grow dahlia 'Redskin' from seed. A dwarf edging variety with (mostly) dark leaves.
Not sure if it is still available but it did well in the right position.

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Seeds of this bedding variety are still available from Chiltern seeds.[/quote]
So I have noticed Tel. The thing about mixed dahlia seed is that you can save the tubers of the varieties/colours you like and propagate from them knowing what they will be like.
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I wonder how many gardeners have bought bedding dahlia's or grown them from seed, then at the end of the season have discarded them, not knowing they can with a bit of care be kept from one year to the next and so on.

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I wonder how many gardeners have bought bedding dahlia's or grown them from seed, then at the end of the season have discarded them, not knowing they can with a bit of care be kept from one year to the next and so on.
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More than two I think Tel

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 26/01/2010 : 19:30:33
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Some of you may remember i paid a visit to the dahlia trials back in August, i saw a variety called Ruskin Respectable small cactus that i liked.
When the awards were given out Ruskin Respectable was not awarded anything,but i bought it anyway.
Today i received my Winter Bulletin booklet from the NDS, a dahlia judge and well known exhibitor Dave Spencer is doing a review on new dahlias he had seen either on the show bench or in the trials.
This is what he had to say about Ruskin Respectable it was by far the best variety on trial at Leeds when we visited in Mid September, so i was a bit surprised that it did not receive an award.

At least he agrees with me.




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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 26/01/2010 : 20:31:37
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A lot of people value your opinion our Tel......this is a very pretty one

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Cherry
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13929 Posts Posted - 26/01/2010 : 21:52:13
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That is gorgeous Tel.


sweetpea
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8797 Posts Posted - 26/01/2010 : 23:56:33
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tel. have you grown kilmorie SC? I quite like it from the pics I have seen but not grown it.
I used to live in a street called Kilmorie Drive so it sort of chimes with me. never seen it mentioned outside of the catalogues but your pic of R. respectable reminded me of it.

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Piskie
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1603 Posts Posted - 27/01/2010 : 05:52:27
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Originally posted by tel7772
I wonder how many gardeners have bought bedding dahlia's or grown them from seed, then at the end of the season have discarded them, not knowing they can with a bit of care be kept from one year to the next and so on.
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More than two I think Tel

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erm, make that more than three


grindle
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15010 Posts Posted - 27/01/2010 : 06:37:18
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I did save some of my bedding dahlias from last year

for us non dahlia expert growers, when is the best time to start the tubers off to make cuttings?


Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 27/01/2010 : 07:40:34
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You can start them off now Grindle...Tel has talked about it further up the thread and shows some useful pics.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 27/01/2010 : 19:39:53
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Originally posted by sweetpea

tel. have you grown kilmorie SC? I quite like it from the pics I have seen but not grown it.
I used to live in a street called Kilmorie Drive so it sort of chimes with me. never seen it mentioned outside of the catalogues but your pic of R. respectable reminded me of it.

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I have not grown this one sweetpea, just looked it up, according to the NDS Classified Directory, it is a Small semi cactus, Pink with Yellow Blends, raised in 2002

The problem i find with the semi cactus is they are lumped together with the cactus varieties in local shows, and the kiwi,s seem to win all the time.
The 2 big NDS shows do have classes for them.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 27/01/2010 : 19:44:47
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Originally posted by grindle

I did save some of my bedding dahlias from last year

for us non dahlia expert growers, when is the best time to start the tubers off to make cuttings?

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Has Lou say's you can start them off now, but for garden purposes that would mean you have to keep the cuttings frost free for longer.
You could set up the tubers later if you wished, right up to the end of February.

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 27/01/2010 : 19:47:44
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I should have said that about the tubers.....sorry Good job you are here to keep me right
Tel

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 27/01/2010 : 19:57:00
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Growing that Ruskin Respectable is going to be a learning curve, Dave Spencer said you have to double stop it and grow it 16 up to keep it to size, i may grow a couple of plants 6 up and see if it will make a medium as well

This will be the first small flowered variety i have had that as 16 blooms to a plant it is normally 7 or 8 to a plant.

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grindle
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15010 Posts Posted - 27/01/2010 : 20:14:50
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Originally posted by grindle

I did save some of my bedding dahlias from last year

for us non dahlia expert growers, when is the best time to start the tubers off to make cuttings?

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Has Lou say's you can start them off now, but for garden purposes that would mean you have to keep the cuttings frost free for longer.
You could set up the tubers later if you wished, right up to the end of February.

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thanks Tel, then end of the month probably will be better for me


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 27/01/2010 : 20:21:12
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Just had a look to see if Kilmorie did anything at The National or Harrogate shows, how sad am i,i should have remembered Kilmorie and Ruskin Respectable was in the Garden News, in the Dave Bates report on the winning six vases in the Small Cactus/Semi Cactus Championship, at the National show.



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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 28/01/2010 : 14:48:58
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Tel,

Rose / Pink Jupiter, GSC.

Plan is to grow these in 10 inch pots 2 up, like all giants disbudding everything leaving just the terminal buds.

Can you recommend any special feeding habits that might help ? and stopping dates, late May for late august / early september blooms ?

I tried growing them last year in the same way but 4 up to which while the blooms were good, they were too small.

I took the pot route due to the extra time that larger varieties take for their bud to open, amid the weather. When the bud colour showed I brought them into the conservatory from outside.This in turn prevented any dampening off.

How do you grow yours ?

Just currious as to whether another route achieves better results.


Mark


WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 28/01/2010 : 15:02:05
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Originally posted by sweetpea

tel. have you grown kilmorie SC? I quite like it from the pics I have seen but not grown it.
I used to live in a street called Kilmorie Drive so it sort of chimes with me. never seen it mentioned outside of the catalogues but your pic of R. respectable reminded me of it.

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I grew a couple of plants of kilmorie last year, only because my wife is called Marie. Our friends thought it was a little funny to have a dahlia called after your wife with kil at the front of her name.

Anyway, grew 8 up, blooms too small. This year if I grow it again, it will be 5 up, disbudding to 2 pairs down along with the wing buds.

Nice flower, but stems a little weak, small semi cactus is a competative division ,would be OK in a multivase exhibit or local show. Mine are just for the garden. Or the neighbours if I run out of space.

The wife hates them, but I think its just because of the name and not the flower.


Mark


DahliaMan
Mr

117 Posts Posted - 28/01/2010 : 18:39:49
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Hello
I havent grown Kilmorie myself as 25% of my plants are Trelyn Kiwi, however my mate Ted Grows it and I would consider it one that on 'its day' producing excellent show winning blooms. It has been around several years and appears inconsistent, hence I have not taken it on and the colour is a little 'wisht washy' under cover.
Trust this helps
Regards, Paul

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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6


quote:
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Originally posted by sweetpea

tel. have you grown kilmorie SC? I quite like it from the pics I have seen but not grown it.
I used to live in a street called Kilmorie Drive so it sort of chimes with me. never seen it mentioned outside of the catalogues but your pic of R. respectable reminded me of it.

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I grew a couple of plants of kilmorie last year, only because my wife is called Marie. Our friends thought it was a little funny to have a dahlia called after your wife with kil at the front of her name.

Anyway, grew 8 up, blooms too small. This year if I grow it again, it will be 5 up, disbudding to 2 pairs down along with the wing buds.

Nice flower, but stems a little weak, small semi cactus is a competative division ,would be OK in a multivase exhibit or local show. Mine are just for the garden. Or the neighbours if I run out of space.

The wife hates them, but I think its just because of the name and not the flower.


Mark

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DahliaMan
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117 Posts Posted - 28/01/2010 : 18:43:53
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Hello
I am not surprised in Dave Spencer recommending double stopping with 'Respectable' (I always use double stopping where needed particularly poms, mini decs, mini balls), as I found with Ruskin Andrea almost every bloom was oversize despite grown 12 up and very little supplementary feeding. Similar with 'Myra' another I found can make oversize blooms.
Regards, Paul

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Growing that Ruskin Respectable is going to be a learning curve, Dave Spencer said you have to double stop it and grow it 16 up to keep it to size, i may grow a couple of plants 6 up and see if it will make a medium as well

This will be the first small flowered variety i have had that as 16 blooms to a plant it is normally 7 or 8 to a plant.

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Thanks for that info on Kilmorie. Always good to hear others' experiences on growing certain plants.
Never grown under covers, not even my sweetpeas. I would rather chance the weather than lose some of that sparkle from my blooms.
Also I'm probably too lazy to got to all the trouble of rigging up covers

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Hello
With regards to the 'Kiwis' particularly Trelyn winning at local shows that is true of the big shows in my County of Cornwall, however as I have explained earlier in this topic a dahlia that will and has beaten them at the 'Best Vase/Exibit' standard is Kelsae Carla. On it's day it is simply fantastic. I can't understand why it hasn't been classified as a Small Cactus as yet! Of the Small Semi-Cactus class in my opinion the best I have grown and seen is Oakwood Goldcrest and this one I consider the 'Kiwi' of the Small Semi-Cactus class. Also this is one that can and has beaten the Kiwi's here for the top Trophy (although not for me but for a fellow grower). 'Oakwood' can produce immaculate blooms, even colouring and for limited space is compact. It produces smaller blooms so as few as 4 or 5 up is called for.
Regards, Paul

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tel. have you grown kilmorie SC? I quite like it from the pics I have seen but not grown it.
I used to live in a street called Kilmorie Drive so it sort of chimes with me. never seen it mentioned outside of the catalogues but your pic of R. respectable reminded me of it.

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I have not grown this one sweetpea, just looked it up, according to the NDS Classified Directory, it is a Small semi cactus, Pink with Yellow Blends, raised in 2002

The problem i find with the semi cactus is they are lumped together with the cactus varieties in local shows, and the kiwi,s seem to win all the time.
The 2 big NDS shows do have classes for them.

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DahliaMan
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Hello
Thanks for reply. To be fair if I had a crystal ball and predicted an excellent summer or if I wasn't exhibiting then I personally would never put my covers in place, because I firmly believe some cultivars make stronger colour and anyway there's nothing as natural as the rain! However as a means to an end I have to in order to compete in a very competitive arena here in Cornwall. Incidentally, althouh never having shown them myself, here they hold a big sweet pea show (South West or West of England Champioship) and those blooms are immaculate and take my breath away. Amazing.
Regards, Paul

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Thanks for that info on Kilmorie. Always good to hear others' experiences on growing certain plants.
Never grown under covers, not even my sweetpeas. I would rather chance the weather than lose some of that sparkle from my blooms.
Also I'm probably too lazy to got to all the trouble of rigging up covers

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 28/01/2010 : 20:51:47
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Tel,

Rose / Pink Jupiter, GSC.

Plan is to grow these in 10 inch pots 2 up, like all giants disbudding everything leaving just the terminal buds.

Can you recommend any special feeding habits that might help ? and stopping dates, late May for late august / early september blooms ?

I tried growing them last year in the same way but 4 up to which while the blooms were good, they were too small.

I took the pot route due to the extra time that larger varieties take for their bud to open, amid the weather. When the bud colour showed I brought them into the conservatory from outside.This in turn prevented any dampening off.

How do you grow yours ?

Just currious as to whether another route achieves better results.


Mark

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I grew a couple of Alf Ramsey's in pots last year 2 up, i half buried the pots in the ground when the buds were showing colour i pulled the pots up and moved them into the greenhouse, the blooms were nice unmarked but were too small for what they shoud have been, i may not have fed them enough or it could have been the peat based compost they were fed once a week like the others planted in the ground.
I also had some Winholme Diane in pots i grew these 4 up they were fine good size and no marks.

I would try your jupiters 2 up and maybe a couple 1 up, well watered and well fed with whatever you feed them with.
I would not grow the jupiters 4 up in the beds 3 up at the most to get a decent size.
Stopping dates this is where you need to keep a record of all your stopping dates, so you can adjust up or down the following year.
I think you would be looking at early June for stopping.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 28/01/2010 : 20:55:03
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Hello
Thanks for reply. To be fair if I had a crystal ball and predicted an excellent summer or if I wasn't exhibiting then I personally would never put my covers in place, because I firmly believe some cultivars make stronger colour and anyway there's nothing as natural as the rain! However as a means to an end I have to in order to compete in a very competitive arena here in Cornwall. Incidentally, althouh never having shown them myself, here they hold a big sweet pea show (South West or West of England Champioship) and those blooms are immaculate and take my breath away. Amazing.
Regards, Paul

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Originally posted by sweetpea

Thanks for that info on Kilmorie. Always good to hear others' experiences on growing certain plants.
Never grown under covers, not even my sweetpeas. I would rather chance the weather than lose some of that sparkle from my blooms.
Also I'm probably too lazy to got to all the trouble of rigging up covers

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I agree with that Paul, if you do not cover these day's when 90% of others do, with our summers we would have no chance of winning anything.

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WoodfordDahlias6
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Oakwood Goldcrest,

Great blooms in a slighly musky yellow colour. Probably one of my favourates of all the small semi cactus varieties.

Apparently the tubers are a sod to get started, need to be soaked before setting up on the bench.

Also they dont want to be under cover for too long as the stems go leggy, but what dahlias dont !!

I would highly recommend it to anyone. I'm growing it this year for the 1st time and hopefully it will live up to my expectations ?


Mark


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 29/01/2010 : 20:14:44
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Oakwood Goldcrest was the most successful small semi-cactus at the National and Harrogate Shows.

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It is nice to see another couple of dahlia growers on the forum, takes a bit of pressure of me lol.

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I will post the top cultivar's from the National And Harrogate shows sometime over this weekend.

Looking at the country wide local show results, published in the NDS winter bulletin, Ruskin Myra small sem-cactus, did quite well.

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I was just thinking it was good for you to have a couple of people to converse intelligently with..instead of my amateurish ramblings (am only speaking for myself here)......I still expect personal tuition mind

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Tel.....I've just received my new catalogue from Garden Direct and see they are still stocking all the Chemak products. If your local source runs out you get get them here - www.gardendirect.co.uk

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tel7772
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Tel.....I've just received my new catalogue from Garden Direct and see they are still stocking all the Chemak products. If your local source runs out you get get them here - www.gardendirect.co.uk

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Thanks for that Lou.
Called into Wyevales garden centre yesterday they were selling chempac No2 off for £3 they only had 2 boxes left, they have none now.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 31/01/2010 : 10:03:05
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I was just thinking it was good for you to have a couple of people to converse intelligently with..instead of my amateurish ramblings (am only speaking for myself here)......I still expect personal tuition mind
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Of Course. When the going gets tough, the tough get going.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 31/01/2010 : 10:12:00
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Thanks for that Paul.

Susan Gilliot won a major class at the MDS annual show last year, not really my colour, but good stems, full blooms which I was told stand the weather with no covers.

The weather was pants at the end of August but he still turned out 3 cracking blooms in light of this.

I also have a couple of tubers of Citizen, but petel count is poor for a medium so these will be ousted out to a neighbour for garden colour only.

I might just give Narrows Tricia a try and see what happens, can you recommend a good medium semi catus, what about Craigowan or Primrose Pastelle ?


Mark

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Mark, Citizen in the Dahlia Trials was grown as a large, what i saw of it as a large i liked it.

Just ordered 2 cuttings of it to try as a large.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 31/01/2010 : 10:23:08
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Just ordered this collerette,Hootenanny.


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Cherry
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It is lovely Tel. You have some beauties for showing this year. I would think it would be better not to be always the same as the other popular ones. Have some of each.


steve
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www.diyweek.net/news/news.asp?id=12812

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Cherry
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13929 Posts Posted - 31/01/2010 : 11:19:09
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I read that too, and also on another site, but I did not like to interfere. What do I know?


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 31/01/2010 : 11:46:22
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Top Varieties at the National And Harrogate combined.

Giant Decorative.
Bryn Terfel
Sir Alf Ramsey

Large Decorative.
Grace Kendall
Elma E

Medium Decorative
Charlie Two
White Charlie Two

Small Decorative.
Winholme Diane
Ryecroft Brenda T

Miniature Decorative.
Marston Lilac
Barbarry Pip

Giant Cactus/Semi Cactus
Rose Jupiter
Jan-al Amy

Large Cactus/Semi Cactus
Kenora Challenger
Ruskin Splendor

Medium Cactus/Semi Cactus
Cream Moonlight
Ruskin Harmony

Small Cactus
Trelyn Kiwi
Kiwi Gloria

Small Semi Cactus
Oakwood Goldcrest
Cherwell Goldcrest
Ruskin Myra

Miniature Cactus/Semi cactus
Weston Pirate
Western Miss
Western Stardust

Small Ball.
Jomanda
Blyton Softer Gleam
Scuar Tango

Miniature Ball
Marys Jomanda
Jomanda
Daves Choice

Waterlily
Cameo
Gwyneth
Taratahi Ruby

Collerette.
Hillcrest Regal
Teesbrook Redeye
Hootenanny

Fimbriated.
Snoho Wonder
White Lace

Large Pompon.
Firwood Park
Franz Kafka

Pompon.
Gurtla Twilight
Moorplace
Willos Violet


THE TOP TEN CULTIVARS based on vases placed( 1st, 2nd, 3rd

1. Kenora Challenger Large semi Cactus
2. Bryn Terfel Giant Decorative
3. Marys Jomanda Miniature Ball
4. Trelyn Kiwi Small Cactus
5. Winholme Diane Small Decorative
6. Cream Moonlight Medium Semi Cactus
7. Gurtla Twilight Pompon
8. Charlie Two Medium Decorative
9. Grace Kendal Large Decorative
10.Weston Pirate Miniature Cactus



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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 31/01/2010 : 11:58:55
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www.diyweek.net/news/news.asp?id=12812

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That is good news for me Steve.

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 31/01/2010 : 12:51:46
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Thats very good news indeed...for all us Chempak users

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 31/01/2010 : 16:45:26
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Just ordered this collerette,Hootenanny.


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Strangely enough I too have ordered some plants of Hootenanny, I'm not a major lover of collerettes, but this one looks stunning. Only trouble the earwigs love tham, so plenty of vaselene is needed.

I have only ever grown Clair de Lune for the garden, so showing these might be a well big learning experience.

I am also giving Fashion Monger a try, perhaps in vain as I would think there is a fare bit of petal variation which would make it a right bugger to get a vase of matching blooms.

Mark


WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 31/01/2010 : 16:52:23
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Mark, Citizen in the Dahlia Trials was grown as a large, what i saw of it as a large i liked it.

Just ordered 2 cuttings of it to try as a large.


Tel, Just curious, who has citizen cuttings available ?, I had to buy my tubers direct from Geerlings last year along with Oakwood Goldcrest.

Mark




WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 31/01/2010 : 17:36:33
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GOOD NEWS,

Finally persuaded the wife to let me get a bigger greenhouse,

8 x 10, powder coated in black with toughened safety glass.

Hope to have it up and running in time for cutting season, plus a place to have my giant begonias and Zonal Pelagoniums in the summer.

Bang goes a bit more of my dahlia plot, lucky I have a big garden so not too much growing space compromised.


Mark


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 31/01/2010 : 17:44:18
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

Mark, Citizen in the Dahlia Trials was grown as a large, what i saw of it as a large i liked it.

Just ordered 2 cuttings of it to try as a large.


Tel, Just curious, who has citizen cuttings available ?, I had to buy my tubers direct from Geerlings last year along with Oakwood Goldcrest.

Mark

I found it here Mark.
www.withypitts-dahlias.co.uk



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WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 31/01/2010 : 20:09:09
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Tel, Just curious, who has citizen cuttings available ?, I had to buy my tubers direct from Geerlings last year along with Oakwood Goldcrest.

Mark

I found it here Mark.
www.withypitts-dahlias.co.uk


Thanks Tel, I havn't heard of this one ?


Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 31/01/2010 : 20:23:43
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6


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Originally posted by tel7772

Just ordered this collerette,Hootenanny.


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Strangely enough I too have ordered some plants of Hootenanny, I'm not a major lover of collerettes, but this one looks stunning. Only trouble the earwigs love tham, so plenty of vaselene is needed.

I have only ever grown Clair de Lune for the garden, so showing these might be a well big learning experience.

I am also giving Fashion Monger a try, perhaps in vain as I would think there is a fare bit of petal variation which would make it a right bugger to get a vase of matching blooms.

Mark

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I'm surprised the filter did not kick in here....

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 31/01/2010 : 21:32:19
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Awfully Sorry,

****** isn't really swearing where I live, its more of an inbertween.

But if it causes concern then I will edit the post.


Mark



steve
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No it's no problem Mark, we have an over active swear filter that gives us all a laugh at some of the words it thinks are swear words if you posted about walking along the c a n a l towpath it wouldn't like it but bugger is ok

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Cherry
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13929 Posts Posted - 01/02/2010 : 04:11:27
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I didn't have a cocker spaniel once upon a time. I had to spell it out with spaces between. I do have a ****sonia Antarctica and this still gives the filter a turn.


Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 01/02/2010 : 08:01:23
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

Tel, Just curious, who has citizen cuttings available ?, I had to buy my tubers direct from Geerlings last year along with Oakwood Goldcrest.

Mark

I found it here Mark.
www.withypitts-dahlias.co.uk


Thanks Tel, I havn't heard of this one ?




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Yes Tel......thanks for that link.....my purse is a little lighter now

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WoodfordDahlias6
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Just had a quick check on my tubers on the heat bench.

1st shoot of 2010, Alf's Mascot.

Rose Jupiter tubers, dont look good, wont be at all surprised if they havn't survived the winter storage, thats 2 years running I have lost them through rot.

Dried them properly last year,sprinkle of Yellow sulphur stored in peat in a frost free place but still dry rot has hit them agian. Must be a better answer to storing them, no problems with any of the others

Oh well, order off to Les Barr 'P&L Dahlias' methinks.

Mark




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[Tel]

These are the varieties i will be growing for the shows this season.

Sir Alf Ramsey- Giant Decorative

Kenora Challenger- Large Semi Cactus

Winholme Diane- Small Decorative
Rossendale Peach
Ruby
Brenda T
Gateshead festival
Amber Festival

Trelyn Kiwi - Small Cactus

Marston Lilac - Miniature Decorative

Marys Jomanda - Miniature Ball

The following varieties will be kept mainly for stock plants,
Will be used if there is a good vase in them, or if there is enough room to get some of them in the dahlia beds so they can be covered.

Bryn Terfel - Giant Decorative

B J Beauty - Medium Decorative
Charlie Two
Trengrove Millennium

Ruskin Diane - Small Decorative
Primrose Diane
Barbarry Pinky
Marion Storer

Pink Jupiter - Giant Semi Cactus
Rose Jupiter

Eastwood Moonlight - Medium Semi Cactus

Kiwi Gloria - Small Cactus
Oreti Bliss
Ruskin Respectable - U/C

Jomanda - Small/Miniature Ball
Blyton Royal Velvet - U/C
Megan Dean - Miniature Ball

April Heather - Collerette

Sasha - Waterlily
Bracken Ballerina
White Ballerina
Nepos






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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Rosie8032
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I grew Karma choc last year. They weren't bad!
Good luck for the new season Tel

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 01/02/2010 : 21:22:15
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Thought you were cutting back this year Tel.? ...lol I am hoping to let you have the cuttings you selected from my tubers....x

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 02/02/2010 : 15:24:52
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Thought you were cutting back this year Tel.? ...lol I am hoping to let you have the cuttings you selected from my tubers....x

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I am Lou only 11 varieties this season, 6 of them Small Decs

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 02/02/2010 : 15:27:41
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Thought you were cutting back this year Tel.? ...lol I am hoping to let you have the cuttings you selected from my tubers....x

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Very kind of you Lou, have a look at my list Lou, see if there is any you fancy.

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Loublou
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Thanks Tel, but I don't dareI have ordered 5 new varieties from the company you mention above (so its really your fault)...I have a friend sending me a tuber and I'm trialling some for a grower and don't know how many they are sending......and I'm not sure if I will have all my dahlia beds prepared in time...perhaps next year?..

PS;.....I may change my mind of course....lol

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 02/02/2010 : 15:36:00
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Originally posted by Loublou

Thanks Tel, but I don't dareI have ordered 5 new varieties from the company you mention above (so its really your fault)...I have a friend sending me a tuber and I'm trialling some for a grower and don't know how many they are sending......and I'm not sure if I will have all my dahlia beds prepared in time...perhaps next year?..

PS;.....I may change my mind of course....lol

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A woman's privilege to change her mind Lou lol

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 02/02/2010 : 16:36:08
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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 05/02/2010 : 20:02:29
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Checked the dahlia tubers on the heated bench, not checked them for a week, every variety on the bench is showing signs of life now.
I was quite relieved to see i have not lost one variety in the extremely cold temperatures during January.

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 05/02/2010 : 20:49:53
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That is good news Tel. I've brought my trays into the conservatory (underfloor heating)....to save leccy in the greenhouse and hopefully,, to hasten shooting....how long do yours take to show signs of growing?

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 07/02/2010 : 11:17:16
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That is good news Tel. I've brought my trays into the conservatory (underfloor heating)....to save leccy in the greenhouse and hopefully,, to hasten shooting....how long do yours take to show signs of growing?
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They have taken 3 weeks, to show any signs of top growth.
They are on a heated bench in a cold green house covered in fleece this helps keep the heat in created by the heated bench and saves money on the electric bill by not useing the greenhouse heater.

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 07/02/2010 : 16:41:54
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Thanks Tel

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 11/02/2010 : 12:16:55
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Anyone know what happened to Longs he has not been on for a fair while now.

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steve
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I've just emailed him Tel

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longs
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I've just emailed him Tel

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Just got it Steve, thanks.
Well it's nice to know I've been missed. All sorts of reasons. I'll not cloud Tels enthusiastic and informative thread with 'whys' and 'because ofs' but it's lovely to 'see' you all again and some new names too. I have looked in from time to time and pleased to see the Dahlia keeness hasn't waned.

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Cherry
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13929 Posts Posted - 12/02/2010 : 10:19:51
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We have missed you Longs. Please post occasionally. Your input is valued.


Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 12/02/2010 : 12:44:34
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I've just emailed him Tel

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Just got it Steve, thanks.
Well it's nice to know I've been missed. All sorts of reasons. I'll not cloud Tels enthusiastic and informative thread with 'whys' and 'because ofs' but it's lovely to 'see' you all again and some new names too. I have looked in from time to time and pleased to see the Dahlia keeness hasn't waned.

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Hi Longs....good to see you. Yes we have a few more enthusiasts on here....it will be good to have a few more brains to "pick"
Don't be a stranger

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 12/02/2010 : 14:15:57
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Good to see you back with us Longs.We need your input mate.


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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 12/02/2010 : 16:22:06
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OAKWOOD GOLDCREST,

This is my first year growing Oakwood Goldvrest and I had heard its a bit of a sod to get started.

I have five pot tubers of it and not a sniff of a shoot yet.

Paul, going by your website you grow this variety, how long does it take to get this one started. A friend told me it can sometimes take a couple of months.

The tubers were soaked in shallow tepid water for 3 days prior to going on the heat cables.

Plenty of time yet I know, but considering all my others are well under way its a bit frustrating waiting for this one.

Mary's Jomanda, the first flush are nearly 2.5 inches high, Citizen and Alf's Mascot not far behind as well.


Mark


DahliaMan
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117 Posts Posted - 12/02/2010 : 19:04:23
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Hello Mark
Oakwood Goldcrest is in my opinion the best of the small semi-cactus. Its blooms are small and I would grow only 4 or 5 up (I grew it 4 up last year). In answering your question, I was so lacking in cuttings from it last year that the 4 plants I did grow were from tubers of the previous year. So it seems maybe its just one of those dahlias that is 'shy' in producing cuttings. In comparison to another cultivar, and you have named Marys Jomanda, that is not comparing like for like so that comparison would be misleading for you. Some cultivars will produce cuttings in masses (like Don Hill, collerette), others just dont move (like Staleen Condessa). Again this is where record keeping is so important year on year, so that you know if a cultivar needs to be ordered in, and if that is the case whether you can justify the expense. Having said this, sometimes a previously consistent cuttings maker over previous years will stand still producing little or nothing for some unknown reason. Last year out of 6 tubers of Kelsae Carla only 1 made cuttings, the other 5 beautiful tubers 'zilch'.
Trust this helps Mark
All the best, Paul


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OAKWOOD GOLDCREST,

This is my first year growing Oakwood Goldvrest and I had heard its a bit of a sod to get started.

I have five pot tubers of it and not a sniff of a shoot yet.

Paul, going by your website you grow this variety, how long does it take to get this one started. A friend told me it can sometimes take a couple of months.

The tubers were soaked in shallow tepid water for 3 days prior to going on the heat cables.

Plenty of time yet I know, but considering all my others are well under way its a bit frustrating waiting for this one.

Mary's Jomanda, the first flush are nearly 2.5 inches high, Citizen and Alf's Mascot not far behind as well.


Mark

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WoodfordDahlias6
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Thanks for that Paul, I will persevere with them, its a lovely flower and the blooms if you get it right take some beating.

I'm not a big yellow fan. but this is the exception as I'm sure you know.

I might just give Frank 'The keyboard' Taylor a ring and see if I can get some back up plants of it, just to be on the safe side.


Mark


DahliaMan
Mr

117 Posts Posted - 13/02/2010 : 21:30:06
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Hello Mark
Your'e very welcome and I think your wise to buy in some plants.
Regards, Paul


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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

Thanks for that Paul, I will persevere with them, its a lovely flower and the blooms if you get it right take some beating.

I'm not a big yellow fan. but this is the exception as I'm sure you know.

I might just give Frank 'The keyboard' Taylor a ring and see if I can get some back up plants of it, just to be on the safe side.


Mark

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 14/02/2010 : 18:57:27
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The giants in the propagator are taking their time.


The shoot on the Pink Jupiter in the foreground is too thick and this will have to be cut off and take the next lot of growth as cuttings.


Some of the dahlias on the bench are starting to show life but the Festivals are a bit slow.


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steve
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I bet you still get a thrill when you see the green shoots emerging Tel

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 14/02/2010 : 21:32:49
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The Pink Jupiter is an excellent example of a "thick" cutting.
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Hello Mark
Your'e very welcome and I think your wise to buy in some plants.
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Thanks for that Paul, I will persevere with them, its a lovely flower and the blooms if you get it right take some beating.

I'm not a big yellow fan. but this is the exception as I'm sure you know.

I might just give Frank 'The keyboard' Taylor a ring and see if I can get some back up plants of it, just to be on the safe side.


Mark

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Hold that thought, after looking closer, 3 of my Oakwood Goldcrest are getting ready to shoot, seems to be 2-3 eyes on each tuber, just shows you what a few days can do.

Well !! They must have heard me moaning ?




tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 15/02/2010 : 19:10:23
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Nothing like giving them a good talking too, Mark.

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WoodfordDahlias6
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Nothing like giving them a good talking too, Mark.

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Yes !! unlike the 'Mrs' they dont give you a load of jip back.

Ho, hum !!



Loublou
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...oooh...you'll be in for it Mark

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Hello Mark
Your'e a brave fellow, I'm far too well trained by my 'Better Half' to be heard making such comments. LOL.
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Nothing like giving them a good talking too, Mark.

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Yes !! unlike the 'Mrs' they dont give you a load of jip back.

Ho, hum !!


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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 16/02/2010 : 17:47:52
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Hello Mark
Your'e a brave fellow, I'm far too well trained by my 'Better Half' to be heard making such comments. LOL.
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Yes !! unlike the 'Mrs' they dont give you a load of jip back.

Ho, hum !!


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Wise man

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 18/02/2010 : 10:38:54
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

Thanks for that Paul, I will persevere with them, its a lovely flower and the blooms if you get it right take some beating.

I'm not a big yellow fan. but this is the exception as I'm sure you know.

I might just give Frank 'The keyboard' Taylor a ring and see if I can get some back up plants of it, just to be on the safe side.


Mark

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Frank Taylor sends all is spare cuttings to a garden centre in todmorden, it just happened i called in last June and found some Blyton Royal Velvet plants.
Will having another trip there at the beginning of June, to see what he has sent if anything.

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Cherry
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13929 Posts Posted - 18/02/2010 : 10:48:31
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That is a good find Tel.


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 18/02/2010 : 13:03:58
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That is a good find Tel.

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He has a couple of plants in his catalouge, that i might be tempted by if he sends them there, i will just try to keep my hands in my pockets. lol

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Cherry
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This could be a good year if the weather behaves for you. You don't have long to go now.


WoodfordDahlias6
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Cuttings,

Obviously a few of the early cuttings are hollow and very difficult to root, so should solid stemed ones be OK to take now or is it too early ?

Quite a few of mine are 3 inches high, should I bin them and wait for the 2nd batch or root them ?

Mark


DahliaMan
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Cuttings,

Obviously a few of the early cuttings are hollow and very difficult to root, so should solid stemed ones be OK to take now or is it too early ?

Quite a few of mine are 3 inches high, should I bin them and wait for the 2nd batch or root them ?

Mark

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Hello Mark
I would say that it is too early to be taking cuttings at the present time unless they are plants that are notably very slow to bloom (Elma E possibly). Cuttings that are taken now will be ready for planting possibly late April and I consider would be past their best if kept potted until say late May. My advice would be to cut of these early cuttings, destroy then, then the resultant crop of material should be fine to use as cuttings. Regards 'hollow' cuttings, these are very difficult to root and in general are best destroyed unless a cultivar is very difficult to get stock of. If 'hollow' cuttings are really needed as a last resort then I would suggest to cut then in half lengthways and placing them in a dish of tepid water with 'Maxicrop' growth stimulant (and pray)as I am a regular user of the 'Maxicrop' range (see my website).
Regards, Paul


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DahliaMan
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117 Posts Posted - 20/02/2010 : 19:01:08
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Barbarry Pip (min-dec)




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longs
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436 Posts Posted - 20/02/2010 : 19:18:30
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Quite a few of mine are 3 inches high, should I bin them and wait for the 2nd batch or root them ?

Mark

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I wouldn't bin anything unless it was dead; then put it on the compost heap.
Take the cutting leaving the lowest pair of leaves. Root that cutting, if it's possible, then pot it up and use it as a pot tuber for stock.

The axils in the remaining pair of leaves on the tuber should produce two new side shoots which will make good cutting material.
Don't remove the cutting from the tuber it'self.

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WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 20/02/2010 : 20:37:49
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quote:
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6

Quite a few of mine are 3 inches high, should I bin them and wait for the 2nd batch or root them ?

Mark

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I wouldn't bin anything unless it was dead; then put it on the compost heap.
Take the cutting leaving the lowest pair of leaves. Root that cutting, if it's possible, then pot it up and use it as a pot tuber for stock.

The axils in the remaining pair of leaves on the tuber should produce two new side shoots which will make good cutting material.
Don't remove the cutting from the tuber it'self.

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So you wouldn't remove the cutting in the normal way just below the lowest node which would almost be a couple of mm from the tuber ?


longs
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436 Posts Posted - 20/02/2010 : 20:54:39
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So you wouldn't remove the cutting in the normal way just below the lowest node which would almost be a couple of mm from the tuber ?

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No. I'd leave the first pair of (small) leaves and take the next cuttings from those leaf axils.
There should be other eyes from your tuber where you can do this if you want.

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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 21/02/2010 : 15:54:06
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Thanks for the info guys,

I had already chopped a few of my thick stemmed shoots, the 2nd flush are already coming through.

I may have to turn the heat down in my greenhouse, perhaps its a little too warm hense the advanced growth oo my tubers.

My medium decs are aimed at Shrewsbury flower show mid August, so it wont hurt them if they are little further forward.

Mark


Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 23/02/2010 : 17:19:46
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Can anyone help me? I spotted a Dahlia which I’d like to grow, I don’t know its name but I’m hoping if I can describe it well enough someone might be able to help.

It’s a similar type to The Bishop of Landaff, with a yellow centre and a single row of 8 or 9 petals. The one I saw was dark velvet red but it had an extra row of many smaller curly petals around the centre which were pale pink.

Does it ring a bell?

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 23/02/2010 : 20:28:15
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Sounds interesting WF...I haven't seen this one. I'm sure Tel will be able to help when he comes on line

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 23/02/2010 : 20:59:26
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I hope so Lou, I did a search on the internet but you can imagine how many hits I got by typing in dahlia.

The beauty of this one is it’s so pretty and the bees love it. I’m also hoping it will be as easy to grow as the Bishop of Landaff because I know I can grow that one.

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DahliaMan
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117 Posts Posted - 23/02/2010 : 23:10:39
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Hello
To be perfectly honest could be any cultivar. I wouldnt be able to tell without seeing but sounds like a collerette type. Good luck.
Regards, Paul

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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly

I hope so Lou, I did a search on the internet but you can imagine how many hits I got by typing in dahlia.

The beauty of this one is it’s so pretty and the bees love it. I’m also hoping it will be as easy to grow as the Bishop of Landaff because I know I can grow that one.

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sweetpea
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8797 Posts Posted - 24/02/2010 : 00:01:13
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maybe one of the 'Bishop's Children'. A few now have names. Bishop of this bishop of that. Can't remember them all.

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 24/02/2010 : 10:22:48
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Just had a thought WF. Have a look on the Winchester Growers site; they hold the national collection and have all the "bishops"...might be one of them

PS: Might be a few days before Tel is on-line.....he has a bit of celebrating to do this week

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 24/02/2010 : 12:33:13
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Thanks Lou I had a look and found three which it could have been Chimborazo, Libretto or Pat Knight, I like them all but I think they will all be too tall except for Chimborazo which grows 2ft-6ft. What does 2-6ft mean? Can I buy a 2ft one or is it pot luck as to how tall they will grow?

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afternoon all, came on to check when to start some dahlia seeds off, reading through this makes me jelous of all the info and experience you have......only dealings I have had with dahlia have been the bedding variety, thought I would try some this year and 'stole' some seeds from my dads bedding plants last year. When is the best time to start these off?


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Mid-End of March is a good time Cazza....just bear in mind that your dahlias will be different to those your Dad grew last year. Good luck!!

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thanks loublou,how will they differ? what can I expect? took seeds from a red, yellow, pink and also peach ones


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Originally posted by cazza

afternoon all, came on to check when to start some dahlia seeds off, reading through this makes me jelous of all the info and experience you have......only dealings I have had with dahlia have been the bedding variety, thought I would try some this year and 'stole' some seeds from my dads bedding plants last year. When is the best time to start these off?

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As they wont cope with frost, time it to planting out after the usual last frost for your area.
I would sow seeds about mid march and prick out seedlings into 3" pots and pot on as they grow until planting out mid to late May. Be prepared to cover with fleece or suchlike if a late frost forecast.
Basically treat as half hardy.

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 24/02/2010 : 14:56:07
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They could be any colour Cazza...they just won't be true to type. If you are worried, buy some fresh seed.

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cazza
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not worried.... its one of those things where it is exciting to see what happens.... after all they will fit somewhere whatever the colour may be.... thanks for your help


Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 24/02/2010 : 15:49:17
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Thats ok Cazza....look forward to the pics

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25134 Posts Posted - 24/02/2010 : 16:57:04
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Tel can read these posts but is having trouble logging on so asked me to post this for him

Could you post for me on the dahlia section, on WLF question on the dahlia she has seen
Like the other answers i have not come across this one cannot find it in the NDS book.


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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly

Thanks Lou I had a look and found three which it could have been Chimborazo, Libretto or Pat Knight, I like them all but I think they will all be too tall except for Chimborazo which grows 2ft-6ft. What does 2-6ft mean? Can I buy a 2ft one or is it pot luck as to how tall they will grow?

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steve
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25134 Posts Posted - 24/02/2010 : 16:58:54
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Tel asked me to post this while he sorts a computer problem out

On cazza's Question on sowing times for dahlia seeds, i sow mine in the third week of March


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Originally posted by cazza

afternoon all, came on to check when to start some dahlia seeds off, reading through this makes me jelous of all the info and experience you have......only dealings I have had with dahlia have been the bedding variety, thought I would try some this year and 'stole' some seeds from my dads bedding plants last year. When is the best time to start these off?

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DahliaMan
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Hello
I have a dahlia website called Paul's Dahlia Guide (my hobby is exhibting dahlias). Please feel free to take a look and if you wish to correspond I have a Form there for that reason.
Regards, Paul

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Originally posted by cazza

afternoon all, came on to check when to start some dahlia seeds off, reading through this makes me jelous of all the info and experience you have......only dealings I have had with dahlia have been the bedding variety, thought I would try some this year and 'stole' some seeds from my dads bedding plants last year. When is the best time to start these off?

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 24/02/2010 : 19:09:00
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Originally posted by steve

Tel can read these posts but is having trouble logging on so asked me to post this for him

Could you post for me on the dahlia section, on WLF question on the dahlia she has seen
Like the other answers i have not come across this one cannot find it in the NDS book.


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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly

Thanks Lou I had a look and found three which it could have been Chimborazo, Libretto or Pat Knight, I like them all but I think they will all be too tall except for Chimborazo which grows 2ft-6ft. What does 2-6ft mean? Can I buy a 2ft one or is it pot luck as to how tall they will grow?

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Thanks for looking Tel

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6890 Posts Posted - 25/02/2010 : 19:13:20
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quote:
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Originally posted by steve

Tel can read these posts but is having trouble logging on so asked me to post this for him

Could you post for me on the dahlia section, on WLF question on the dahlia she has seen
Like the other answers i have not come across this one cannot find it in the NDS book.


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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly

Thanks Lou I had a look and found three which it could have been Chimborazo, Libretto or Pat Knight, I like them all but I think they will all be too tall except for Chimborazo which grows 2ft-6ft. What does 2-6ft mean? Can I buy a 2ft one or is it pot luck as to how tall they will grow?

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Thanks for looking Tel

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It makes you wonder where they get their information from, i have not seen any collarette's that have grown much higher than 4ft



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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 25/02/2010 : 19:17:48
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I googled Chimborazo and Libretto nice for a garden, Pat Knight, nice for the garden and exhibition.

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 26/02/2010 : 15:51:22
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I popped into a big garden centre today to see if they had any of the Dahlias I was looking for. They had hundreds of varieties but none of the ones I wanted. Obviously it was a garden centre so I couldn’t come away empty handed so I bought these

They are called “Sunshine” and they have bronze foliage and only grow 28 inches tall.

Should I pot them up now and plant them out when the frosts have finished? It says on the packet they should be planted 6 inches deep, I’m sure someone on here said they should be just under the soil but I can’t find that thread now.

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117 Posts Posted - 26/02/2010 : 18:39:04
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Hello
With dahlia tubers I would be planting mid to late April here in Cornwall. I would plant then about 3 inches below soil level so that when the shoots emerge above ground it should be about 3rd/4th week of May which is around the tim eof planting dahlia plants here.
Trusts this helps
Regards, Paul


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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly

I popped into a big garden centre today to see if they had any of the Dahlias I was looking for. They had hundreds of varieties but none of the ones I wanted. Obviously it was a garden centre so I couldn’t come away empty handed so I bought these

They are called “Sunshine” and they have bronze foliage and only grow 28 inches tall.

Should I pot them up now and plant them out when the frosts have finished? It says on the packet they should be planted 6 inches deep, I’m sure someone on here said they should be just under the soil but I can’t find that thread now.

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sweetpea
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8797 Posts Posted - 26/02/2010 : 21:00:30
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Alternatively you could take cuttings from the tuber and increase your stock.

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 26/02/2010 : 21:18:47
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Hello
With dahlia tubers I would be planting mid to late April

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So do I leave them in the plastic bag until then?

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Alternatively you could take cuttings from the tuber and increase your stock.

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I thought about it SP because I would like to alternate them with my Bishop of Landaff, I’d need 6 or 7 plants for that.. I haven’t followed this thread from post to post but I get the idea you need heated trays and a heated greenhouse. I think taking Dahlia cuttings is a little too advanced for me just yet.

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MotherGoose
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18619 Posts Posted - 26/02/2010 : 21:22:59
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That's a lovely dahlia WLF
Can you start them off in a tray of compost, maybe indoors on a windowsill? I'd just lay them on the surface of some damp compost and keep them warm... (but I'm probably wrong)


Cherry
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13929 Posts Posted - 26/02/2010 : 21:32:38
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It frightens me too WF. I have two propagators, but they are full up with seeds, some of which are now being put onto the windowledge. I would like to take cuttings, but can't see it somehow.

Have you got some started MG?


grindle
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15010 Posts Posted - 27/02/2010 : 06:10:01
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i didn't realise they need to be in heated trays, mine are just in a heated greenhouse, so I'll be waiting forever


Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 27/02/2010 : 08:07:07
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That's a lovely dahlia WLF
Can you start them off in a tray of compost, maybe indoors on a windowsill? I'd just lay them on the surface of some damp compost and keep them warm... (but I'm probably wrong)

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No MG...you are exactly right. In about 3 weeks they will start to sprout...I mist mine now and again as well. You can then pot them up until it is ready to plant in the ground, when the frosts have gone, usually by the end of May you will be safe, or, when take cuttings when they are about 3-4" long.

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 27/02/2010 : 08:09:09
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i didn't realise they need to be in heated trays, mine are just in a heated greenhouse, so I'll be waiting forever

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Not necessarily Grindle...they'll just take a little longer. The ones I have in the greenhouse are resting over a propagator rather than in it, and they are shooting ok

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longs
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436 Posts Posted - 27/02/2010 : 09:05:37
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I think taking Dahlia cuttings is a little too advanced for me just yet.

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You can increase the stock without taking cuttings; as long as there is an 'eye' or small shoot attached to part of the tuber, then just cut it off with some tuber still attached. Pot it up in damp compost with the shoot just above soil level. You can do this with as many shoots as there are on the tuber. A sharp knife is required so do be careful!!

I'm not very good at describing this so I hope you get my meaning.

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Cherry
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13929 Posts Posted - 27/02/2010 : 11:33:21
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Thankyou Longs. I think the thread has got very technical and some of us just want dahlias to look good in the garden.


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 27/02/2010 : 11:34:08
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Hello
With dahlia tubers I would be planting mid to late April

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So do I leave them in the plastic bag until then?

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Alternatively you could take cuttings from the tuber and increase your stock.

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I thought about it SP because I would like to alternate them with my Bishop of Landaff, I’d need 6 or 7 plants for that.. I haven’t followed this thread from post to post but I get the idea you need heated trays and a heated greenhouse. I think taking Dahlia cuttings is a little too advanced for me just yet.

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You can increase your stock by dividing your tuber when it is just sprouting by doing this.
These are pics i posted last year on how to divide a tuber.








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tel7772
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That's a lovely dahlia WLF
Can you start them off in a tray of compost, maybe indoors on a windowsill? I'd just lay them on the surface of some damp compost and keep them warm... (but I'm probably wrong)

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No MG...you are exactly right. In about 3 weeks they will start to sprout...I mist mine now and again as well. You can then pot them up until it is ready to plant in the ground, when the frosts have gone, usually by the end of May you will be safe, or, when take cuttings when they are about 3-4" long.

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[Tel]

Originally posted by Cherry

Thankyou Longs. I think the thread has got very technical and some of us just want dahlias to look good in the garden.

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You should have No Problems dividing them Cherry its straight forward has the pics show.

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 27/02/2010 : 11:57:29
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As I can’t plant them out until after the last frosts I thought I’d try some cuttings. I do need to be taken back to the very beginning.

So, these are my tubers, I bought two.


I can see the old stem at the top so I know which way up is. The stem comes out of one tuber and there are lots of other tubers connected to this tuber by a long thin bit. When I pot it up how much of it/them should be above the compost? I know the cuttings grow from “eyes” but I can’t see anything which looks like an eye (I do only know what a potato eye looks like).

My plan was (once I know how to pot it up) is to leave them on the kitchen windowsill until it starts growing shoots, will this work?

The final and most important question, if I take cuttings and they don’t work, will my tubers still grow when I put them in the garden?

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 27/02/2010 : 12:05:35
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Have a look on page one on here you will find a pic of mine, with the tubers set up in a propagator.

When you are taking cuttings make sure you do not cut into the tuber
cut just under the small leaves nearest the tuber, more cuttings will then grow from that point then.

Also posted pics on how to divide tubers on page 8 on here.

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Wildlife_friendly
Mrs

4074 Posts Posted - 27/02/2010 : 13:04:23
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Thanks Tel. I’ve had a look and understand the depth I need to plant the tuber with the stalk. What happens to all the other tubers? Do they all go in the pot below the soil or do I cut them off? The tubers in your photo don’t have all the dangly ones mine have.

I had a look at dividing a tuber, I’ll try cuttings first, I’m not brave enough to cut my new one up yet. I might practice on one of my old ones and see how it goes.

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longs
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436 Posts Posted - 27/02/2010 : 13:20:35
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I knew Tel would come up with the pictorial version of my reply

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 27/02/2010 : 13:31:23
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Thanks Tel. I’ve had a look and understand the depth I need to plant the tuber with the stalk. What happens to all the other tubers? Do they all go in the pot below the soil or do I cut them off? The tubers in your photo don’t have all the dangly ones mine have.
I had a look at dividing a tuber, I’ll try cuttings first, I’m not brave enough to cut my new one up yet. I might practice on one of my old ones and see how it goes.

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No do not cut them off that is the food supply just bed them in to the compost just so the stalk and where the tubers are joined to it is showing for taking cuttings.
If you are just going to grow them in pots cover the whole tuber with an inch or two of compost.

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 27/02/2010 : 13:34:24
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That's a lovely dahlia WLF
Can you start them off in a tray of compost, maybe indoors on a windowsill? I'd just lay them on the surface of some damp compost and keep them warm... (but I'm probably wrong)

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No MG...you are exactly right. In about 3 weeks they will start to sprout...I mist mine now and again as well. You can then pot them up until it is ready to plant in the ground, when the frosts have gone, usually by the end of May you will be safe, or, when take cuttings when they are about 3-4" long.

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I am redundant on here now.

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Behave Tel.....I thought you would still be celebrating...hic

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13929 Posts Posted - 27/02/2010 : 13:41:52
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OK. With that information, I will now lift mine out of their newspaper wrappers and carry on from there. Obviously, they will be late.


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 27/02/2010 : 13:52:46
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Originally posted by tel7772


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Originally posted by Loublou


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That's a lovely dahlia WLF
Can you start them off in a tray of compost, maybe indoors on a windowsill? I'd just lay them on the surface of some damp compost and keep them warm... (but I'm probably wrong)

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No MG...you are exactly right. In about 3 weeks they will start to sprout...I mist mine now and again as well. You can then pot them up until it is ready to plant in the ground, when the frosts have gone, usually by the end of May you will be safe, or, when take cuttings when they are about 3-4" long.

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I am redundant on here now.

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Behave Tel.....I thought you would still be celebrating...hic

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Called for a couple of drinks with some work mates who were also leaving yesterday at 11.30am arrived home 5pm slightly hungover this morning.

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MotherGoose
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18619 Posts Posted - 27/02/2010 : 16:06:37
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It frightens me too WF. I have two propagators, but they are full up with seeds, some of which are now being put onto the windowledge. I would like to take cuttings, but can't see it somehow.

Have you got some started MG?

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Not yet Cherry...I've run out of room on the windowsills


Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 27/02/2010 : 16:31:26
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Originally posted by Loublou


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Originally posted by tel7772


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Originally posted by Loublou


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Originally posted by MotherGoose

That's a lovely dahlia WLF
Can you start them off in a tray of compost, maybe indoors on a windowsill? I'd just lay them on the surface of some damp compost and keep them warm... (but I'm probably wrong)

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No MG...you are exactly right. In about 3 weeks they will start to sprout...I mist mine now and again as well. You can then pot them up until it is ready to plant in the ground, when the frosts have gone, usually by the end of May you will be safe, or, when take cuttings when they are about 3-4" long.

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I am redundant on here now.

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Behave Tel.....I thought you would still be celebrating...hic

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Called for a couple of drinks with some work mates who were also leaving yesterday at 11.30am arrived home 5pm slightly hungover this morning.

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Suppose Brenda will let you off on this occasion another time, you might feel the wrath of her rolling pin (I've loaned her one of mine)

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Wildlife_friendly
Mrs

4074 Posts Posted - 27/02/2010 : 16:58:36
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I have potted them up, I brought them in to compare against Tel’s photos and I think I have a bit too much above the soil. Should I add more or leave them?


While checking them over I noticed this, I think it’s the beginnings of a shoot.


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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 27/02/2010 : 18:33:54
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That looks fine WLF, the tuber looks well bedded into the compost.
Looks like a shoot to me too.

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Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 27/02/2010 : 20:32:56
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Thats great WF.....they'll soon be sprouting all over the place...Yaaayyyyy

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Cherry
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13929 Posts Posted - 28/02/2010 : 10:02:59
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MG. Will you put your dahlias into pots or a tub or what?


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 28/02/2010 : 10:42:32
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i would like these for a garden, it is called Fascination


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Cherry
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13929 Posts Posted - 28/02/2010 : 12:13:37
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That is so pretty Tel. Alan Gray did dahlias this week. He likes Chimberazo which I have seen mentioned on here, and has a dark red, which is known as a black, called Alan Gray which he bred from it. He gave us two pages of our newspaper, just on dahlias from seed and tubers.


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 28/02/2010 : 12:18:33
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That is so pretty Tel. Alan Gray did dahlias this week. He likes Chimberazo which I have seen mentioned on here, and has a dark red, which is known as a black, called Alan Gray which he bred from it. He gave us two pages of our newspaper, just on dahlias from seed and tubers.

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That sounds interesting Cherry, i will have to ask you for advise now.
Have your dahlias survived the winter?

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tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 28/02/2010 : 12:24:52
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Chimborazo, Collerette Dahlia.



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Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 28/02/2010 : 15:10:05
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That dahlia is truly fascinating Tel....will need sunglasses on to look at it

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 28/02/2010 : 15:11:42
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Chimborazo, Collerette Dahlia.



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I like this one as well

I'm not buying any more dahlias this year...please remind me if you hear of me being tempted...

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sweetpea
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8797 Posts Posted - 28/02/2010 : 16:30:33
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Originally posted by tel7772

i would like these for a garden, it is called Fascination


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Do you have any details Tel? ie Supplier/s, height etc.?

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sweetpea
Tree

8797 Posts Posted - 28/02/2010 : 16:38:05
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Just found this: www.capitalgardens.co.uk/v3/dahlia-fascination-bulbs-p-17590.html
but the picture looks differnt. Do you reckon it is the same one?
I'm confused dot com

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Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 28/02/2010 : 16:44:56
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I had one years ago, similar to the Taylors one...but I remember it being more of a cacti/semi cacti variety.(memory loss perhaps)
Perhaps as its a colorette they felt they could get away with using the same name?

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pennyron
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11738 Posts Posted - 28/02/2010 : 16:58:26
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Chimborazo, Collerette Dahlia.



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I really like that one Tel.


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[Tel]

I found it on an American site, www.dansdahlias.com
They had two with the same name but different order numbers
this one i posted is 4 dollers.

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4074 Posts Posted - 28/02/2010 : 18:09:53
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With all the damage in my garden caused by the cold this winter, I beginning to see the advantages of Dahlias. I thought they would be too fiddly for me, but I successfully dug some tubers and stored them over winter, and it wasn’t a lot of work. As long as I remain a member of this forum I know there will be plenty of reminders of when things should be done, and help when it goes wrong.

So I bought these today – I couldn’t help it – I needed cheering up – and I sold some Snowdrops which covered the cost. TOTALLY justified.


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WoodfordDahlias6
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111 Posts Posted - 28/02/2010 : 18:31:21
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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly

With all the damage in my garden caused by the cold this winter, I beginning to see the advantages of Dahlias. I thought they would be too fiddly for me, but I successfully dug some tubers and stored them over winter, and it wasn’t a lot of work. As long as I remain a member of this forum I know there will be plenty of reminders of when things should be done, and help when it goes wrong.

So I bought these today – I couldn’t help it – I needed cheering up – and I sold some Snowdrops which covered the cost. TOTALLY justified.


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Dahlias are well addictive, just when you think you have found a lovely one, along comes another that has you reaching for your wallet.

Maybe thats why so many ex chrysanthemum growers turn to dahlias because of the wide range and variation in colour they offer.


Mark


MotherGoose
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18619 Posts Posted - 28/02/2010 : 18:49:09
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MG. Will you put your dahlias into pots or a tub or what?

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All mine will end up in pots Cherry


tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 28/02/2010 : 20:22:20
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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly

With all the damage in my garden caused by the cold this winter, I beginning to see the advantages of Dahlias. I thought they would be too fiddly for me, but I successfully dug some tubers and stored them over winter, and it wasn’t a lot of work. As long as I remain a member of this forum I know there will be plenty of reminders of when things should be done, and help when it goes wrong.
So I bought these today – I couldn’t help it – I needed cheering up – and I sold some Snowdrops which covered the cost. TOTALLY justified.


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I only charge a small fee WF,
I really like the way the petals incurve near the ends on your dahlia.
Do you know what it is called, i would not mind that one myself.

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Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 28/02/2010 : 21:10:31
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OMG.....that is pretty yummy!!!!!!!!!!

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Cherry
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13929 Posts Posted - 28/02/2010 : 21:57:13
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Very very pretty WF.

Thanks MG. I put mine in pots today because the rain stopped me from gardening outside.


grindle
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15010 Posts Posted - 01/03/2010 : 04:47:11
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I love that one WLF


Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 01/03/2010 : 08:14:23
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I only charge a small fee WF,
I really like the way the petals incurve near the ends on your dahlia.
Do you know what it is called, i would not mind that one myself.

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It's called "Windmill" it's an "off the shelf" variety at the GS and grown by Taylors.

WoodfordDahlias6, I only have one round, raised bed which is suitable for growing Dahlias, with the last one it's now full, my garden has curbed any chance of addiction.

Tel, at the end of the year when I dig Windmill up I'll send you one.

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6890 Posts Posted - 01/03/2010 : 09:45:23
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I googled it how prices differ, Thompson & Morgan £6.99 for 1 tuber
2tubers + 1free £13.98
Shop1.actinicexpress.co.uk/ £10.95 pack of 3 with the postage
I will have a look in the garden centres to see if they stock it here.


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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 01/03/2010 : 17:50:09
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Mine cost £2.49 for one tuber. I bought it at a Wyevale garden centre, I'm sure they have those all around the country.

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6890 Posts Posted - 01/03/2010 : 19:38:58
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Mine cost £2.49 for one tuber. I bought it at a Wyevale garden centre, I'm sure they have those all around the country.

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We have Wyevale within a 15min drive from here, hope they have some left, if i mange to get one there is still time to set it up for taking cuttings.

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Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 01/03/2010 : 21:01:55
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Chimborazo, Collerette Dahlia.



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How did I miss this post? That's the Dahlia I wanted but it said it grew 2-6ft tall and that had me a bit confused, I'd like 2ft but I couldn't cope with 6ft.

I like the ones with a ring of pale coloured petals in the centre, are they specialist plants? They didn’t have any in the GS and the ones I’ve found online are quite pricy.

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15010 Posts Posted - 02/03/2010 : 05:33:22
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this is the first year I've saved tubers and tried to grow them again, I usually don't bother and just get new ones. I'm hoping I'll at least see some of what I've grown again this year with the help from this thread


Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 02/03/2010 : 08:08:25
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Me too Grindle, it’s quite fun, I love learning something new.

I will admit that I’ve had my Bishop of Landaff for many years (inherited from my Mum), I didn’t know they were Dahlias until I joined this forum and I certainly didn’t now that all the tubers don’t grow into a new plant, I wondered why my failure rate was so high when I split them and replanted them.

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6890 Posts Posted - 02/03/2010 : 09:26:25
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Me too Grindle, it’s quite fun, I love learning something new.

I will admit that I’ve had my Bishop of Landaff for many years (inherited from my Mum), I didn’t know they were Dahlias until I joined this forum and I certainly didn’t now that all the tubers don’t grow into a new plant, I wondered why my failure rate was so high when I split them and replanted them.

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No problems increasing your stock by division or cuttings now then WLF.

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Cherry
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13929 Posts Posted - 02/03/2010 : 10:09:59
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That is so pretty Tel. Alan Gray did dahlias this week. He likes Chimberazo which I have seen mentioned on here, and has a dark red, which is known as a black, called Alan Gray which he bred from it. He gave us two pages of our newspaper, just on dahlias from seed and tubers.

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That sounds interesting Cherry, i will have to ask you for advise now.
Have your dahlias survived the winter?

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Yes, but T.Kiwi is hit and miss. They came into the conservatory and the smaller ones look a little dry, but they are all OK. I love them all, but you said Kiwi needs slightly different conditions, so I am not too worried if it doesn't make it. It may. Your thread got very complicated as I have no heat, and you seemed to be going for heat in the greenhouse.

The purple and orange dahlias I have still in the garden are all in good condition. I have lifted a lot of them and will plant them near the big compost heap. They are good for Church flowers. They are still pretty actually, but I was thinking about showing your varieties.


grindle
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15010 Posts Posted - 02/03/2010 : 15:34:33
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I've only got a small parafin heater in my greenhouse Cherry, so I'm not expecting great things early with the dahlias I saved, but I do hope they grow again at the very least


Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 02/03/2010 : 16:36:19
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I wouldn't worry Grindle......the later dahlia cuttings will probably grow faster than the ones taken now

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grindle
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15010 Posts Posted - 02/03/2010 : 17:37:18
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well they could be very late Lou, they haven't started shooting yet


steve
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25134 Posts Posted - 02/03/2010 : 17:48:34
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You have a lot more in your class this year Tel

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sweetpea
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8797 Posts Posted - 02/03/2010 : 18:57:57
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I've only got a small parafin heater in my greenhouse Cherry, so I'm not expecting great things early with the dahlias I saved, but I do hope they grow again at the very least

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That was all I ever had Grindle. Under the staging which had a polythene curtain hanging below it to trap the heat.
I could start tubers, take cuttings of fuchsias, coleus etc. and start seeds of tomatoes, melon, Chillies etc. and grow on for a while before going out to the frame.
I can't find a supplier for loose paraffin here, only prepacked 5L containers which aren't cost effective.

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Loublou
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19838 Posts Posted - 02/03/2010 : 21:29:13
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well they could be very late Lou, they haven't started shooting yet

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I wouldn't worry too much...I have some that haven't started sprouting yet....Patience is the name of the game

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grindle
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15010 Posts Posted - 03/03/2010 : 05:10:58
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there's hope for me then SP I only have the choice of prepacked parafin, as there is no electricity in either the shed or greenhouse, but I'm working on it


Wildlife_friendly
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4074 Posts Posted - 03/03/2010 : 08:22:35
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You have a lot more in your class this year Tel

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Poor Tel, I hope he has the patience of a saint because I know absolutely nothing. I do have to put a high percentage of the blame on you Tel, if you didn’t make it sound like a novice could do it, I would have left it to the experts and just bought ready grown plants.

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[Tel]

That brings back memories, we used to take a can to the petrol station and fill it up. Esso Blue.

We can only buy it prepacked now.

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Poor Tel, I hope he has the patience of a saint because I know absolutely nothing. I do have to put a high percentage of the blame on you Tel, if you didn’t make it sound like a novice could do it, I would have left it to the experts and just bought ready grown plants.

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Well I did it WF.....you will be fine really

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4074 Posts Posted - 03/03/2010 : 09:51:49
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Thanks for the vote of confidence Lou.

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19838 Posts Posted - 03/03/2010 : 10:46:10
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Thats ok WF.....we can't lose with Tel there to encourage and put us right

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6890 Posts Posted - 03/03/2010 : 12:15:37
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You have a lot more in your class this year Tel

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All well behaved pupils Steve. Nobody given detention yet, all home work completed on time.

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steve
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25134 Posts Posted - 03/03/2010 : 12:35:05
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So far Tel but you are getting a good percentage of girls in this years form

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 03/03/2010 : 12:40:49
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No sex discrimination in my class Steve, all welcome.

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tel7772
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6890 Posts Posted - 03/03/2010 : 12:57:22
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I took these 3 cuttings of Marston Lilac this morning, as a experiment i will see if they will root without bottom heat.
I will give them a spray now and again with water to try and keep them perky.
I am keeping them on the kitchen window sill out of direct sunlight.
I will let you know if it is successful or not.


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steve
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25134 Posts Posted - 03/03/2010 : 15:40:09
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No, I was saying they are cleverer than us Tel


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So far Tel but you are getting a good percentage of girls in this years form

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tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 03/03/2010 : 15:50:00
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Well they are good at multi tasking, so i have been told.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 03/03/2010 : 16:09:41
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No, I was saying they are cleverer than us Tel


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So far Tel but you are getting a good percentage of girls in this years form

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We know that already our Steve.

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 03/03/2010 : 16:10:28
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Well they are good at multi tasking, so i have been told.

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


grindle
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15010 Posts Posted - 03/03/2010 : 16:22:24
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we're masters at multi tasking Tel


WoodfordDahlias6
Mr


111 Posts Posted - 03/03/2010 : 16:22:30
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So far Tel but you are getting a good percentage of girls in this years form

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A few gardening girlies livens up this forum, my mrs gets fed up of me rattling on about dahlias, she's a strickly come dancing and ice dancing fan, not me !! thank goodness. Utter rubbish !!!

She does however go to the shows, but only to have a mooch around the trade stands.

Mark


sweetpea
Tree

8797 Posts Posted - 03/03/2010 : 19:14:00
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she's a strickly come dancing and ice dancing fan, not me !! thank goodness. Utter rubbish !!!

She does however go to the shows,
Mark

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I'm with her WD I' a strictly and ice dancing fan too. But also grow and show (well I used to) So what does that make me
On second thoughts, don't answer that

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Gardening in South Wales (Pembrokeshire)


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 03/03/2010 : 19:15:50
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Originally posted by WoodfordDahlias6


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Originally posted by steve

So far Tel but you are getting a good percentage of girls in this years form

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A few gardening girlies livens up this forum, my mrs gets fed up of me rattling on about dahlias, she's a strickly come dancing and ice dancing fan, not me !! thank goodness. Utter rubbish !!!

She does however go to the shows, but only to have a mooch around the trade stands.

Mark

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That reminds me of my Mrs

Thats why i rattle on here,the ladies on the forum have only had to listen to me for 2 years.Thanks LadiesNow where did i put my soap box.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Cherry
Moderator

13929 Posts Posted - 03/03/2010 : 19:47:20
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Originally posted by tel7772

I took these 3 cuttings of Marston Lilac this morning, as a experiment i will see if they will root without bottom heat.
I will give them a spray now and again with water to try and keep them perky.
I am keeping them on the kitchen window sill out of direct sunlight.
I will let you know if it is successful or not.


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This is an interesting experiment Tel. Please let us know how you get on with it.


sweetpea
Tree

8797 Posts Posted - 03/03/2010 : 20:17:09
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Now where did i put my soap box.

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probably in the g'house full of tubers

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Gardening in South Wales (Pembrokeshire)


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 04/03/2010 : 14:34:18
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Now where did i put my soap box.

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probably in the g'house full of tubers

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I knew it would come in useful for something.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 04/03/2010 : 14:35:27
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Originally posted by Cherry


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Originally posted by tel7772

I took these 3 cuttings of Marston Lilac this morning, as a experiment i will see if they will root without bottom heat.
I will give them a spray now and again with water to try and keep them perky.
I am keeping them on the kitchen window sill out of direct sunlight.
I will let you know if it is successful or not.


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This is an interesting experiment Tel. Please let us know how you get on with it.

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Will do Cherry.

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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



Wildlife_friendly
Mrs

4074 Posts Posted - 04/03/2010 : 14:52:28
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Originally posted by Cherry


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Originally posted by tel7772

I took these 3 cuttings of Marston Lilac this morning, as a experiment i will see if they will root without bottom heat.
I will give them a spray now and again with water to try and keep them perky.
I am keeping them on the kitchen window sill out of direct sunlight.
I will let you know if it is successful or not.


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This is an interesting experiment Tel. Please let us know how you get on with it.

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I’d be very interested in the results too. It's the heated propagator part of the procedure that’s a bit off putting for me. All of my propagators are stored in the potting shed and have been for the past few years. I’ve never quite mastered them so I germinate all my seeds in the airing cupboard.

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Encouraging wildlife in Devon.


Loublou
Mrs

19838 Posts Posted - 04/03/2010 : 18:23:04
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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly


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Originally posted by Cherry


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Originally posted by tel7772

I took these 3 cuttings of Marston Lilac this morning, as a experiment i will see if they will root without bottom heat.
I will give them a spray now and again with water to try and keep them perky.
I am keeping them on the kitchen window sill out of direct sunlight.
I will let you know if it is successful or not.


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This is an interesting experiment Tel. Please let us know how you get on with it.

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I’d be very interested in the results too. It's the heated propagator part of the procedure that’s a bit off putting for me. All of my propagators are stored in the potting shed and have been for the past few years. I’ve never quite mastered them so I germinate all my seeds in the airing cupboard.

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Do you not have a problem with "drawn" seedlings, and those seeds that need light to germinate?

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The answer lies in Northumberland soil.


Wildlife_friendly
Mrs

4074 Posts Posted - 05/03/2010 : 10:14:24
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Do you not have a problem with "drawn" seedlings, and those seeds that need light to germinate?

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If they need light to germinate then they have to wait until it’s warm enough in the greenhouse. If drawn means leggy then yes, it’s not usually a problem because they sort themselves out when I transplant them and put them in the greenhouse. This year it’s still too cold out there so I’ve lost a lot.

I might try the propagators again when I get electric in the greenhouse. My main problem is not checking them often enough and they dry out.

I did notice in a few threads that it seems better to water seed trays from the bottom. How’s this done? Do I dunk my trays in another tray of water? I’ve always watered from the top with a fine rose then spend ages standing the little seedlings up again.

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Encouraging wildlife in Devon.


tel7772
Mr

6890 Posts Posted - 05/03/2010 : 16:08:36
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Originally posted by Loublou


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Originally posted by Wildlife_friendly


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Originally posted by Cherry

Originally posted by tel7772

I took these 3 cuttings of Marston Lilac this morning, as a experiment i will see if they will root without bottom heat.
I will give them a spray now and again with water to try and keep them perky.
I am keeping them on the kitchen window sill out of direct sunlight.
I will let you know if it is successful or not.


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This is an interesting experiment Tel. Please let us know how you get on with it.

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I’d be very interested in the results too. It's the heated propagator part of the procedure that’s a bit off putting for me. All of my propagators are stored in the potting shed and have been for the past few years. I’ve never quite mastered them so I germinate all my seeds in the airing cupboard.

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In day 3 and the cuttings are still looking perky, so far so good


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Terry in Bradford, Yorkshire.



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