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Post by scrumpy on Nov 12, 2014 22:58:42 GMT
Disagree about Blyton. Must be how you grow it  |
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Post by ian on Nov 12, 2014 23:13:21 GMT
Blyton softer gleam loses it's form whoever grows it I have seen and judged enough of it. For the section it is an ok Dahlia not a % Dahlia there are better. Sorry but it does loose form (not all the time but in the main)
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Post by ian on Nov 12, 2014 23:15:35 GMT
By the way I would not grow Softer Gleam for the reasons I said oh and by the way I can grow.
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Post by Raymond on Nov 13, 2014 0:22:03 GMT
The three dahlias you mention are poor dahlias if they are for show Linnett nice colour that's about it, softer gleam best of the three but not a quality bloom it looses form halfway down the bloom. Folly if you can keep it round not bad. An excellent small ball is Rossendale Hero looks similar to Winholme Diane ( unfortunately I don't were you will get it now) Jomanda can be very good as a small but do not push it as it can go cylindrical (elongated a little) Charlie Briggs is a good Dahlia good form and good stems Thank you Ian. Rossendale hero cannot be found. I think I will give the class a miss. I have enough. Many thanks for the information. Thinking of a third medium cactus or semi cactus doing candy and staleen condesa. Condesa mainly for display. Looking at grenidor pastelle, Ruskin Michelle, ruskin sensation, peach delight amongst many. A moonlight would be the best just concerned about the softness of it. |
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Post by scrumpy on Nov 13, 2014 8:56:42 GMT
By the way I would not grow Softer Gleam for the reasons I said oh and by the way I can grow. These were most of the small ball entries at Southport a couple of years ago, lots of Jomanda's that I assume are the best in the group, grown by far better growers than me. Guess which one won  So I'll still disagree |
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Post by Cherry on Nov 13, 2014 9:30:09 GMT
I really like to see these pictures out of season. They add colour and all look beautiful to my untrained eye.
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Post by Moonlight on Nov 13, 2014 10:01:39 GMT
By the way I would not grow Softer Gleam for the reasons I said oh and by the way I can grow. These were most of the small ball entries at Southport a couple of years ago, lots of Jomanda's that I assume are the best in the group, grown by far better growers than me. Guess which one won So I'll still disagree |
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Post by Moonlight on Nov 13, 2014 10:08:54 GMT
For the section it is an ok Dahlia not a % Dahlia there are better.
(not entering into the debate re. Blyton Softer Gleam as I can't speak from experience)
p.s. Was there ever a Blyton Soft Gleam? Wonder how the name came about?
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Post by scrumpy on Nov 13, 2014 10:47:20 GMT
Looking at the results from national shows the last 3 years, in 2012 Blyton, even though it is no good, got the most points at Shepton, and came 2nd at Harrogate. Westerton Folly was shown as small ball and got a few points.
2013, Not as good,on a par with Jomanda's, but Westerton Folly picking up.
Don't know about this year, but I would guess more people will be growing Folly so that may be something to compete with the Jomanda's.
No idea what the one at the back is.
Over to Ian.
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Post by Sean on Nov 13, 2014 13:44:36 GMT
Hi Ian, Scrumpy
I have to agree with both parties here. I do believe that the small ball class is a great section but most small balls cant compete as they don't get even near the size of the small and when they get big they start getting messy. i do feel that softer gleam is a great variety that's great in its section and one you can cut every week with little numbers to get a vase, which is the most important thing, as not everyone has the space to put 30 of each variety to cut for a vase. i think Ian means with % dahlia that it wont score high in championships and that its just there to go in its own section and to fill the benches at local shows.
Sean.
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Post by scrumpy on Nov 13, 2014 14:33:58 GMT
This one, Hillcrest Matt, won at Malvern. It actually was a good size, but I'd say it's form was not very good compared to Jomanda and Blyton.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 14:36:44 GMT
First lot of tubers in storage, tucked up for the winter . After two month's of searching, I've finally admitted defeat in my quest to find Rossendale Hero, not even the raiser has any stock. I think I've either rang or emailed anybody whose anybody. Mine own fault really, should've looked more closely at the white cards at Wisley and Harrogate  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 14:44:28 GMT
That's just the sort of colour I love, scrumpy. But I have to agree about the form, probably not the right word, but it looks a little ruffled.
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Post by ian on Nov 13, 2014 14:52:20 GMT
I am giving an opinion that is all. Of the three Dahlias that were enquired about I said Softer Gleam was the better Dahlia but it does loose form half way down (thank you for proving the point on the picture posted Scrumpy)In the picture the vase of softer gleam was the best of the seven vases a good set and on the day will win as these did. although not much to beat. But have a look the blooms do indeed loose for part way down, back bloom down the right hand side front left bloom front of bloom only one or two petals on that one and the right front bloom right hand side and left towards the top of the bloom. There were all a similar size and had centers. So yes a win. It is an easy variety to grow and one as you say you will get on the bench and cut a vase from a few plants. But it does loose form a little especially if is grown outside and it gets a little weather and rain then you get split petal as well you also get split petals a lot on Mary's Jomanda, Charlie Briggs and Jomanda with the rain. Form of any Dahlia can change with the cold & heat. As Sean says It is one of the better ones in the section but not one to rely on in a Championship. But as I said before a good one for its section.
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Post by ian on Nov 13, 2014 15:02:23 GMT
Now that one is rough Hehe
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