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Post by scrumpy on Jul 26, 2014 18:11:29 GMT
Yes scrumpy, both Valentine and Wildfire are classified as Giant or Large (at least in the current classified list). To reply to a few comments. My Moonlights will be ready in about a weeks time. Leopold Chloe. I had some Tubers from DC but didn't get anything so I got some late plants in from Station House. Out of 6 plants, only one is growing as I'd wish, and will be in bloom in about a week. So we'll see how the backs hold out. Looking good at the moment though. Clearview Louise, from being quite compact and shy on laterals early on, is ready to flower on huge stems and large buds. It has turned out quite a big plant. Will look forward to the 2nd flush on this one. Has this one been classified, as I reckon 4 up as a large first flush, 6 -8 up as a medium 2nd flush. That's what I'll be trying. |
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Post by ian on Jul 28, 2014 17:04:32 GMT
Hi Moonlight. Just a quick plotted history of the Moonlight family In 1975 John Sharp raised Eastwood Moonlight in 1984 it sported White to give us White Moonlight In 1998 Laurens and Pims arrived on the scene followed by Coxwell Moonlight in 2000,(it is these three Coxwell, Lauren's, and Pims that are Synonym) Then in 2001 Cream Moonlight arrived. Apart from White Moonlight they are all classified yellow. Cream Moonlight is Cream whereas Pi ms, Lauren's and Cox well are slightly darker shades of cream. Occasionally Pi ms and Lauren's exhibit a pale tip to the each floret. Syn or Synonym means that the blooms are considered to be indistinguishable from one another.
You have to be very careful when entering a multivase class with moonlights when asked for separate different varieties as it is sometimes very difficult to distinguish one from another in some poor lighting at shows. The judge should judge them in situe on the bench and floor and not by taking them to the light, so therefore be careful
All the Moonlights have the same form and can get up to the ring quite easily. White Moonlight needs restricting most and best grown 5up to reach the size of the others. I grow Eastwood at seven up and Cream Moonlight at 6 -7 up depending on the plant. The best if grown right is White Moonlight. But like all Moonlights they tend to be a soft variety which do damp especially if you have a tendency to over feed.
As to seedlings from Moonlights they are as said seedlings and should be judged accordingly.
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Post by Moonlight on Jul 28, 2014 18:21:49 GMT
Hi Moonlight. Just a quick plotted history of the Moonlight family In 1975 John Sharp raised Eastwood Moonlight in 1984 it sported White to give us White Moonlight In 1998 Laurens and Pims arrived on the scene followed by Coxwell Moonlight in 2000,(it is these three Coxwell, Lauren's, and Pims that are Synonym) Then in 2001 Cream Moonlight arrived. Apart from White Moonlight they are all classified yellow. Cream Moonlight is Cream whereas Pi ms, Lauren's and Cox well are slightly darker shades of cream. Occasionally Pi ms and Lauren's exhibit a pale tip to the each floret. Syn or Synonym means that the blooms are considered to be indistinguishable from one another. You have to be very careful when entering a multivase class with moonlights when asked for separate different varieties as it is sometimes very difficult to distinguish one from another in some poor lighting at shows. The judge should judge them in situe on the bench and floor and not by taking them to the light, so therefore be careful All the Moonlights have the same form and can get up to the ring quite easily. White Moonlight needs restricting most and best grown 5up to reach the size of the others. I grow Eastwood at seven up and Cream Moonlight at 6 -7 up depending on the plant. The best if grown right is White Moonlight. But like all Moonlights they tend to be a soft variety which do damp especially if you have a tendency to over feed. As to seedlings from Moonlights they are as said seedlings and should be judged accordingly. 
Colour wise would it be Lightest = White Moonlight, Cream Moonlight followed by Coxwell / Lauren's / Pims Moonlight with Eastwood Moonlight as the darkest or deepest shade?
Or is it
Lightest = White Moonlight, Cream Moonlight, Eastwood Moonlight and then the Coxwell / Lauren's / Pims Moonlight as the darkest or deepest shade?
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Post by Moonlight on Jul 29, 2014 10:41:57 GMT
Hi Moonlight. Just a quick plotted history of the Moonlight family In 1975 John Sharp raised Eastwood Moonlight in 1984 it sported White to give us White Moonlight In 1998 Laurens and Pims arrived on the scene followed by Coxwell Moonlight in 2000,(it is these three Coxwell, Lauren's, and Pims that are Synonym) Then in 2001 Cream Moonlight arrived. Apart from White Moonlight they are all classified yellow. Cream Moonlight is Cream whereas Pi ms, Lauren's and Cox well are slightly darker shades of cream. Occasionally Pi ms and Lauren's exhibit a pale tip to the each floret. Syn or Synonym means that the blooms are considered to be indistinguishable from one another. You have to be very careful when entering a multivase class with moonlights when asked for separate different varieties as it is sometimes very difficult to distinguish one from another in some poor lighting at shows. The judge should judge them in situe on the bench and floor and not by taking them to the light, so therefore be careful All the Moonlights have the same form and can get up to the ring quite easily. White Moonlight needs restricting most and best grown 5up to reach the size of the others. I grow Eastwood at seven up and Cream Moonlight at 6 -7 up depending on the plant. The best if grown right is White Moonlight. But like all Moonlights they tend to be a soft variety which do damp especially if you have a tendency to over feed. As to seedlings from Moonlights they are as said seedlings and should be judged accordingly.
Colour wise would it be Lightest = White Moonlight, Cream Moonlight followed by Coxwell / Lauren's / Pims Moonlight with Eastwood Moonlight as the darkest or deepest shade?
Or is it
Lightest = White Moonlight, Cream Moonlight, Eastwood Moonlight and then the Coxwell / Lauren's / Pims Moonlight as the darkest or deepest shade?
 Oops, I've re-read your post ian out loud. |
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Post by scrumpy on Jul 29, 2014 11:11:40 GMT
 Well got me confused now. What I grew as Pims Moonlight, and what the sport looks like, are shown. Certainly wouldn't call what I thought was Pims ( The single bloom) a darker cream. |
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Post by ian on Jul 29, 2014 13:30:37 GMT
Hi Scrumpy the single bloom in the picture is not Pims that looks like Eastwood to me Pims is similar to Cream it's just a shade darker than Cream but they are all classified yellow hehe. It's all good fun by the way the cream look good, If you can get them all like the right hand bloom then that's just about right. Oooooo great it's raining again. Good luck
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Post by scrumpy on Jul 29, 2014 16:57:45 GMT
It was bought as Pims from station house as that's the only moonlight I've grown . All these years i've been showing it as Pim's sport. Think I'll have to just register it as a new sport so it can become another syn although mine does have a darker tip to the florets. They are actually looking quite good this year, 4, maybe 5 out of 6 of the plants are a lighter "cream" as above. One is more yellowish. Though they aren't fully open yet.
Hopefully have one or two to take to Southport, should be plenty for Shrewsbury.
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Post by ian on Jul 29, 2014 17:56:18 GMT
Good luck at Southport Scrumpy make yourself known and we can have a chat. The darker bloom in your photo has probably reverted back to Eastwood as they sometimes do, you could try and say it is a sport but unless it is a definate colour break then it is not worth bothering. Often pims and coxwell sometimes exhibit a pale tip which looks quite good and they match up well. Good luck at Southport. But not to much success hehe  |
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Post by scrumpy on Jul 29, 2014 18:09:05 GMT
 That was the original plant. All the other plants were coloured as shown, so must have been Eastwood to start with. As to Southport, first go last year. Managed quite a few firsts. This year will have a proper go at the championship, so will need help in choosing the 4 vases to go in and arranging them. See you there about 8pm. I'll be the one with the black builders buckets |
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Post by Moonlight on Jul 29, 2014 18:12:18 GMT
Hi Moonlight. Just a quick plotted history of the Moonlight family In 1975 John Sharp raised Eastwood Moonlight in 1984 it sported White to give us White Moonlight In 1998 Laurens and Pims arrived on the scene followed by Coxwell Moonlight in 2000,(it is these three Coxwell, Lauren's, and Pims that are Synonym) Then in 2001 Cream Moonlight arrived. Apart from White Moonlight they are all classified yellow. Cream Moonlight is Cream whereas Pi ms, Lauren's and Cox well are slightly darker shades of cream. Occasionally Pi ms and Lauren's exhibit a pale tip to the each floret. Syn or Synonym means that the blooms are considered to be indistinguishable from one another.
Colour wise would it be Lightest = White Moonlight, Cream Moonlight followed by Coxwell / Lauren's / Pims Moonlight with Eastwood Moonlight as the darkest or deepest shade?
It was bought as Pims from station house as that's the only moonlight I've grown . All these years i've been showing it as Pim's sport. Think I'll have to just register it as a new sport so it can become another syn although mine does have a darker tip to the florets. They are actually looking quite good this year, 4, maybe 5 out of 6 of the plants are a lighter "cream" as above. One is more yellowish. Though they aren't fully open yet. Hopefully have one or two to take to Southport, should be plenty for Shrewsbury.
I hope my post makes sense, it does in my head whether or not I've made it sound the same in the typing, is another thing. |
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Post by ian on Jul 29, 2014 18:29:04 GMT
Hi Moonlight I here what you are saying about it being a different strain if you like but it is more than likely that it has reverted back to Eastwood and that's good because now you have Eastwood and Pims as I said previous Pims is a slightly darker shade of Cream than Cream Moonlight. Also if you said you got it from Sean well who knows what you got Hehe only joking Sean. Scrumpy I will give you a lift staging if you like bring plenty of Oasis I will try to be there early but will probably be more like 10 before I trap, but by all means I will give you a lift. |
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Post by scrumpy on Jul 29, 2014 19:53:17 GMT
Last year I Finished at 5.30 in the morning. Started arranging about 10 o'clock. Mind you, all the tea breaks didn't help Not disappointed with my sport. If I can get it consistently close to the colour I want I won't be too upset. Just hope I get 3 for Southport to compare. Just can't keep calling it sport for ever. I too will have a word with Sion. No more blooms from me to make up his displays |
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Post by Moonlight on Jul 29, 2014 21:00:39 GMT
Hi Moonlight I here what you are saying about it being a different strain if you like but it is more than likely that it has reverted back to Eastwood and that's good because now you have Eastwood and Pims as I said previous Pims is a slightly darker shade of Cream than Cream Moonlight. Also if you said you got it from Sean well who knows what you got Hehe only joking Sean. Scrumpy I will give you a lift staging if you like bring plenty of Oasis I will try to be there early but will probably be more like 10 before I trap, but by all means I will give you a lift.
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Post by ian on Jul 29, 2014 23:18:59 GMT
Ok well I have grown and indeed growing white moonlight (that sported from Eastwood) now on occasions you will get a yellow bloom reverting back to Eastwood. Now there is Eastwood Moonlight and White Moonlight with some others in between Cream Moonlight and the other three that are synonymous Larens, Pims & Coxwell. Hehe any nearer now?
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Post by Moonlight on Jul 29, 2014 23:30:16 GMT
yep and thanks and Good Luck scrumpy hope your sports do well in the shows.
Good Luck to you both at the show, may the best dahlias win with nothing vaguely controversial going on. 
p.s. I'm going to show my Dad your sport photos Scrumpy tomorrow, looking forward to hearing what he thinks. If it's an Eastwood Moonlight, he'll know.
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