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Post by Moonlight on Jul 24, 2014 11:56:07 GMT
I know that there are sports and seedlings from Eastwood Moonlight.
What I would like to know is how are they different from Eastwood Moonlight and also the family tree as it were.
Which are direct sports from Eastwood Moonlight and which come from a sport of Eastwood Moonlight?
A bit of a family tree, if that makes sense.
I'm guessing that White Moonlight is white and Cream Moonlight is cream coloured but what about
Coxwell Moonlight Syn: Lauren's Moonlight, Pim's Moonlight
I don't know what Syn means.
I've heard before that an exhibit of Moonlights 3 of 3 varieties was once disqualified because the judges could not see how 2 vases were of 2 separate varieties because they had the same colour (or too close to differentiate, in the lighting of the place that they were staged) and form as each other.
One of the reasons why I'm asking is because I'm growing a couple of Eastwood Moonlight seedlings and I want to spot whether or not they have any unique characteristics.
Thanks
p.s. I know that Lismore Moonlight is a totally different family. 
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Post by Tel on Jul 24, 2014 19:31:50 GMT
There is sports from sports, from the moonlights, which is from which, I do not know.
Syn is where sports from the same variety, cannot be told a part.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 21:30:14 GMT
I know that there are sports and seedlings from Eastwood Moonlight.
What I would like to know is how are they different from Eastwood Moonlight and also the family tree as it were.
Which are direct sports from Eastwood Moonlight and which come from a sport of Eastwood Moonlight?
A bit of a family tree, if that makes sense.
I'm guessing that White Moonlight is white and Cream Moonlight is cream coloured but what about
Coxwell Moonlight Syn: Lauren's Moonlight, Pim's Moonlight
I don't know what Syn means.
I've heard before that an exhibit of Moonlights 3 of 3 varieties was once disqualified because the judges could not see how 2 vases were of 2 separate varieties because they had the same colour (or too close to differentiate, in the lighting of the place that they were staged) and form as each other.
One of the reasons why I'm asking is because I'm growing a couple of Eastwood Moonlight seedlings and I want to spot whether or not they have any unique characteristics.
Thanks
p.s. I know that Lismore Moonlight is a totally different family. I think you will need to wait until your seedlings bloom. Rule of thumb is out of every 100 seedlings grown only one will actually be a double bloom. Then out of every 100 double bloom seedlings one might make the grade if your lucky. Collecting seed is the easy bit, then it becomes a lottery unless you hand pollinate like Les Stoffard aka 'Blyton' does. Cross polination from mixed classifications greatly reduces your chances of breeding a good specimin. Barry Davies (Barbarry) and Johnny Digweed (Marston) only grow small and miniature decs and balls. In simple terms if you grow a medium semi cactus next to a miniature ball and mr bumble bee jumps from one plant to the other and cross pollinates either plant it is a highly probable the offspring will be rubbish. On the other hand you have two good specimins of a single classification next to each other the seed stands a better chance of being OK. Johnny Digweed grew 800 seedlings last year and kept only 3 for a 2nd look this year. It has been known ugly parents produce stunning offspring, but most of the time they produce horrors. Lucky dip methinks. |
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Post by scrumpy on Jul 24, 2014 21:57:28 GMT
I know where my sport came from. Trouble is, I'm not sure what other moonlights look like to compare.
If it looks good this year, ie, consistent colour in my six plants, I'll carry on with it. If there is variation I'll try something else. Probably the white "vals candy" that is around if I can get it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 22:17:48 GMT
I know where my sport came from. Trouble is, I'm not sure what other moonlights look like to compare. If it looks good this year, ie, consistent colour in my six plants, I'll carry on with it. If there is variation I'll try something else. Probably the white "vals candy" that is around if I can get it. You mean Clayt's candy ? I have it and its a candyfloss white. I have a bloom just about to open. Will post a pic on here for you to look at. I only have 3 plants but if you want any cuttings then let me know early 2015. Initial signs are good, strong plants, strong stems and a good foot stalk. I grow both Val's and Clayt's. Hillcrest Candy breaks down too easy and is constantly part sporting which is no good to me which is why I dumped it, plus its sports are more refined. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 22:22:43 GMT
I know where my sport came from. Trouble is, I'm not sure what other moonlights look like to compare. If it looks good this year, ie, consistent colour in my six plants, I'll carry on with it. If there is variation I'll try something else. Probably the white "vals candy" that is around if I can get it. If you can get it, try Ryecroft Helen a medium yellow semi cactus, similar to the moonlights. Top notch and well worth a look. |
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Post by Moonlight on Jul 25, 2014 0:20:39 GMT
I know that there are sports and seedlings from Eastwood Moonlight.
What I would like to know is how are they different from Eastwood Moonlight and also the family tree as it were.
Which are direct sports from Eastwood Moonlight and which come from a sport of Eastwood Moonlight?
A bit of a family tree, if that makes sense.
I'm guessing that White Moonlight is white and Cream Moonlight is cream coloured but what about
Coxwell Moonlight Syn: Lauren's Moonlight, Pim's Moonlight
I don't know what Syn means.
I've heard before that an exhibit of Moonlights 3 of 3 varieties was once disqualified because the judges could not see how 2 vases were of 2 separate varieties because they had the same colour (or too close to differentiate, in the lighting of the place that they were staged) and form as each other.
One of the reasons why I'm asking is because I'm growing a couple of Eastwood Moonlight seedlings and I want to spot whether or not they have any unique characteristics.
Thanks
p.s. I know that Lismore Moonlight is a totally different family.
I think you will need to wait until your seedlings bloom. Rule of thumb is out of every 100 seedlings grown only one will actually be a double bloom. Then out of every 100 double bloom seedlings one might make the grade if your lucky.Collecting seed is the easy bit, then it becomes a lottery unless you hand pollinate like Les Stoffard aka 'Blyton' does. Cross polination from mixed classifications greatly reduces your chances of breeding a good specimin. Barry Davies (Barbarry) and Johnny Digweed (Marston) only grow small and miniature decs and balls. In simple terms if you grow a medium semi cactus next to a miniature ball and mr bumble bee jumps from one plant to the other and cross pollinates either plant it is a highly probable the offspring will be rubbish. On the other hand you have two good specimins of a single classification next to each other the seed stands a better chance of being OK. Johnny Digweed grew 800 seedlings last year and kept only 3 for a 2nd look this year. It has been known ugly parents produce stunning offspring, but most of the time they produce horrors. Lucky dip methinks.
My Dad says to expect nothing and I'm not but I am interested in what the known variations are. My flowering Moonlight seedling has a pinky blush at the ends on the petals, my Dad thinks will fade to yellow (but you never know - that's me), so I'm not expecting anything but I am interested in what the differences are. I had a very lucky last year but for me every little step is a massive wow to me. It's like all you experienced growers that post here, share you experiences and opinions and basically know what you are talking about - are the grown ups; while I'm the total novice and see every step as a massive wow. I don't expect to have any good ones come up but I've enjoyed plucking petals, squeezing the flower heads, prizing open to discover any seeds and I'm chuffed to bits that any of my seeds germinated. I've only got a few seedlings and the majority have buds now but my 1st is my Eastwood Moonlight seedling, not making any presumptions on whether or not it's form would be good enough to exhibit but I am interested in the colour is a bit different to what else is out there.
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Post by scrumpy on Jul 25, 2014 10:05:01 GMT
I know where my sport came from. Trouble is, I'm not sure what other moonlights look like to compare. If it looks good this year, ie, consistent colour in my six plants, I'll carry on with it. If there is variation I'll try something else. Probably the white "vals candy" that is around if I can get it. You mean Clayt's candy ? I have it and its a candyfloss white. I have a bloom just about to open. Will post a pic on here for you to look at. I only have 3 plants but if you want any cuttings then let me know early 2015. Initial signs are good, strong plants, strong stems and a good foot stalk. I grow both Val's and Clayt's. Hillcrest Candy breaks down too easy and is constantly part sporting which is no good to me which is why I dumped it, plus its sports are more refined. Cheers. I know Frank Taylor has a white one he's playing around with. If I see him at Southport I'll check if it's different to yours. Before deciding on Ryecroft Helen, I'll give Clearview Louise a proper go next year. My Vals' Candy are certainly going to be ready in a few weeks. |
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Post by sweetpea on Jul 25, 2014 16:02:02 GMT
I know that there are sports and seedlings from Eastwood Moonlight.
What I would like to know is how are they different from Eastwood Moonlight and also the family tree as it were.
Which are direct sports from Eastwood Moonlight and which come from a sport of Eastwood Moonlight?
A bit of a family tree, if that makes sense.
I'm guessing that White Moonlight is white and Cream Moonlight is cream coloured but what about
Coxwell Moonlight Syn: Lauren's Moonlight, Pim's Moonlight
I don't know what Syn means.
I've heard before that an exhibit of Moonlights 3 of 3 varieties was once disqualified because the judges could not see how 2 vases were of 2 separate varieties because they had the same colour (or too close to differentiate, in the lighting of the place that they were staged) and form as each other.
One of the reasons why I'm asking is because I'm growing a couple of Eastwood Moonlight seedlings and I want to spot whether or not they have any unique characteristics.
Thanks
p.s. I know that Lismore Moonlight is a totally different family. It is short for Synonym which basically means when you see a plant name with 'Syn' after it and then another plant name it is just two different names for the same plant. it happens with many plants, not just dahlias. |
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Post by Moonlight on Jul 25, 2014 18:59:14 GMT
I know that there are sports and seedlings from Eastwood Moonlight.
What I would like to know is how are they different from Eastwood Moonlight and also the family tree as it were.
Which are direct sports from Eastwood Moonlight and which come from a sport of Eastwood Moonlight?
A bit of a family tree, if that makes sense.
I'm guessing that White Moonlight is white and Cream Moonlight is cream coloured but what about
Coxwell Moonlight Syn: Lauren's Moonlight, Pim's Moonlight
I don't know what Syn means.
I've heard before that an exhibit of Moonlights 3 of 3 varieties was once disqualified because the judges could not see how 2 vases were of 2 separate varieties because they had the same colour (or too close to differentiate, in the lighting of the place that they were staged) and form as each other.
One of the reasons why I'm asking is because I'm growing a couple of Eastwood Moonlight seedlings and I want to spot whether or not they have any unique characteristics.
Thanks
p.s. I know that Lismore Moonlight is a totally different family. It is short for Synonym which basically means when you see a plant name with 'Syn' after it and then another plant name it is just two different names for the same plant. it happens with many plants, not just dahlias. |
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Post by sweetpea on Jul 25, 2014 21:52:53 GMT
Not sure about the kenora valentine/wildfire but if someone has the up to date plant finder it will probably mention it there. My plantfinder is several years old  |
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Post by markb on Jul 26, 2014 6:32:27 GMT
The Kenora Valentine/Wildfire situation is different as although the NDS has them as being 'syn' in the directory, Jennie Leroux (co-raiser of the 'Kenora' varieties) is insistent that Valentine was so prone to virus that all stock was destroyed and that what is grown today is Wildfire.
Don't see that is makes a difference as whatever it's called it is still a damn good flower if you can grow it well.
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Post by scrumpy on Jul 26, 2014 13:49:47 GMT
Is it still dual classified?
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Post by markb on Jul 26, 2014 14:10:46 GMT
Yes scrumpy, both Valentine and Wildfire are classified as Giant or Large (at least in the current classified list).
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Post by Moonlight on Jul 26, 2014 17:06:01 GMT
The Kenora Valentine/Wildfire situation is different as although the NDS has them as being 'syn' in the directory, Jennie Leroux (co-raiser of the 'Kenora' varieties) is insistent that Valentine was so prone to virus that all stock was destroyed and that what is grown today is Wildfire. Don't see that is makes a difference as whatever it's called it is still a damn good flower if you can grow it well.
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