more ID needed

[scrumpy]

As we have ascertained that Pims moonlight was Eastwood Moonlight, going to need some help on the Diane I've been growing for god knows how long. And every year I get the same problem no matter how I try to reselect.

3 blooms to show, colours not too bad a reflection. Not fully open yet, but won't change too much










There are 6 plants in total. The problem I have is that when I grow my plants, each one has both colours shown on them.
Some may have 3 of each, some 4 and 2, etc, etc. Meaning some years I can show one colour, the next year it will be the other colour. I can never get one plant with one colour. But what Dianes are they ?

[ian]

Good morning Scrumpy, The Diane you are growing is Winholme Diane and this is the problem with it it has a tendency to throw different shades of blooms not a great problem if you grow enough plants but a pain in the .... If you only grow a few plants.  Although I am growing some Winholme this year I do prefer to grow Primrose Diane, now the problem with Primrose Diane it does throw the odd white petal which is easily removed during its development but the colours are usually ok. Cheers Ian

[scrumpy]

Thanks for that. Yes, they are Winholme Diane.
So next question then, could the different shades be entered in a multi vase class?

Many years ago at Shrewsbury when we actually had some decent exhibitors showing, someone entered 3 vases of Dianes......Ruskin, primrose, winholme and on first look I thought they were all the same variety. Only after real close inspection could you spot very slight differences. Certainly nowhere near as obvious as the ones I've shown.

Thinking ahead to Southport, I could end up with 3 blooms of each shade. I may enter one for the individual class, one maybe in the 3 vase class. I will call them both Winholme yet they look different, so how would the judges feel about that.

[ian]

No problem with showing the two vases both as Winholme and naming accordingly, just be mindful of labelling the blooms in the light of day as to try and match them up under the Southport lighting at night will be a problem and although the judges will make allowances for the shade difference you may lose the odd point.

As to whether you enter then in a multivase class ('two vase) a light vase names Winholme and another vase named I would not, under certain lighting they may appear too close and therefore you may get the old NAS.