Dahlia shopping...?

[Tel]

Oct 23, 2014 17:12:41 GMT Raymond said:

Oct 23, 2014 15:36:01 GMT Tel said:

How do you mean what happened to it ?

Was it as good this year as the year before ? 

I think so, it was in the dahlia trials, I posted a pic on the 16th Sept on page 7 of the Leeds Dahlia Trials.

[Raymond]

Tel found it birkenshaw wyns favourite. Fingers crossed for both.

How did you come up with the prefix for the name ?

[Raymond]

Emailed my first order for 2015 . These for garden display.

[Tel]

Oct 23, 2014 18:24:43 GMT Raymond said:

Tel found it birkenshaw wyns favourite. Fingers crossed for both.

How did you come up with the prefix for the name ?

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The prefix is the district I live in. Most raisers use a prefix.

[Raymond]

I like it. If I ever had a seedling the prefix would be catford or I stay on bromley road. I think bromley sounds better

[dahliadave]

Oct 23, 2014 13:49:59 GMT Moonlight said:

Oct 23, 2014 12:18:33 GMT Tel said:

I have the Halls of Heddon Catalogue, I dare not buy any more, not enough room for what I have already got for next season.

Haven't got mine yet.

We have only sent out the preliminary list. The main catalogue goes out end of December. I am working on it now.

[Raymond]

Oh I will hold back on some orders then dahliadave

Are you doing any of the hapet dahlias David ?

[dahliadave]

Oct 25, 2014 7:14:19 GMT Raymond said:

Oh I will hold back on some orders then dahliadave

Are you doing any of the hapet dahlias David ?

We have had a few of the Hapet varieties listed. On of my favourites was a MinBall called Hapet Pearl- really good formation but a problem colour matching. The main problem was however that it was one of the slowest rooting Dahlias I have ever come across. Some varieties just do not want to root on schedule and adjustments to rooting regime have to be made. The Dianes (and a number of other varieties) are notorious often taking a good 10-14 days longer to root than 95% of the rest of the varieties. Not much of a problem if you are growing your own cuttings but a big problem if you are trying to get up and despatch complete orders.  Hapet Pearl could sit in a tray quite happily for 5-6 weeks and not put on any root growth while the rest of the batch of cuttings had all been sent out. As for Hapet Ideal, a miniature cactus, this would put on 4cm growth after the cuttings had been taken but when getting up for orders they still had no root! Varieties such as these, good as they may be, do not warrant the extra efforts in production for the sales they generated.

That is not to say there aren't other varieties worth a try but a few years ago we tried 30 varieties from Peter but none quite matched the criteria we were looking for.

[dahliadave]

Oct 23, 2014 12:51:01 GMT Tel said:

Oct 23, 2014 9:13:56 GMT Moonlight said:

Anyone else going through the dahlia catalogues?

Seen Marston Sharon is for sale, is this a new variety? Haven't managed to find a photo. Grew Marston George this year and I love it. Saw Barbarry Surprise at a show so put that very high on my wish list but then was told by another exhibitor that it doesn't flower for long. It did really well in one show but I don't remember seeing it in the other shows that I exhibited in. Saw Marston Suzanne and was told similar thing and that Barbarry Pip wasn't as good. Just want to ask other members what there experiences have been with these varieties including are they good seed parents? I've collected quite a lot of Marston George seeds this year, no idea of how many will germinate etc. but as I really like the deep dark varieties, wondered if the odds were in it's favour or basically 'you'd be lucky if you get anything from that one type of variety.'. I don't have a big garden or oodles of money, so everything that I get has to have something really special to make it worth the pennies, time and space. If not might have to stick with my Marston George and hope that I can over winter it.

Just think if you got a seedling from Brenda T x With Marston George. A small decorative with Marston George colouring.

Sometimes some of the older varieties can be just as good and less temperamental. The MinD and MinB sections are so hotly contested with new varieties- one just has to look at the trial entries this year! If someone were to come up with a red MD say with the form of Charlie Two- even a bright orange or the colour of Marston George, then that would be really interesting. And ideally it should be a really good tuber maker and cutting producer.

[Raymond]

Thank you dahliadave . Interesting to hear that about the rooting. Hapet pearl was one I was looking at along with Hapet ideal.

Do you have any tubors for sale ?

I did email Peter to place an order and have not heard anything back. Well guess he has lost my business.

I Will be checking your website over the next couple of months while I sort my selection then I will place an order.

Good luck with all the lifting and winter prep.

Raymond

[Raymond]

dahliadave love your avatar !

[ian]

With the form of Charlie two have you had a drink David? Hehe that is the form you do not want now if you would have said the form of Millennium or Kismet well then that is another thing. I think you are ready for bed good night

[dahliadave]

Oct 27, 2014 23:19:13 GMT ian said:

With the form of Charlie two have you had a drink David? Hehe that is the form you do not want now if you would have said the form of Millennium or Kismet well then that is another thing. I think you are ready for bed good night

Fair comment Ian. Any red MD to a degree would be good for our purposes though as we do need to have a colour range for just garden performance. The form of T Millennium would be ideal. One of our best sellIt has been a good performer for us the last 2 seasons. It is not the best of tuber makers so it is a variety we sometimes struggle with in the early stages of the season. I suppose what I was getting at is that this section is where we could do with a few more contenders. The other section which seems short of new varieties to look at is the Giant and Large Cactus, unless I am missing some somewhere. Recent new ones seem to have all come from the States apart form Duncan Edwards. If you are interested  Charlie Two and White Charlie Two were  2nd and 3rd in our top 5 MDs as far as sales go with a Avoca Amanda topping the list this year- and good old Alloway Cottage occupying 6th place!

[Moonlight]

Oct 28, 2014 8:55:41 GMT dahliadave said:

Oct 27, 2014 23:19:13 GMT ian said:

With the form of Charlie two have you had a drink David? Hehe that is the form you do not want now if you would have said the form of Millennium or Kismet well then that is another thing. I think you are ready for bed good night

Fair comment Ian. Any red MD to a degree would be good for our purposes though as we do need to have a colour range for just garden performance. The form of T Millennium would be ideal. One of our best sellIt has been a good performer for us the last 2 seasons. It is not the best of tuber makers so it is a variety we sometimes struggle with in the early stages of the season. I suppose what I was getting at is that this section is where we could do with a few more contenders. The other section which seems short of new varieties to look at is the Giant and Large Cactus, unless I am missing some somewhere. Recent new ones seem to have all come from the States apart form Duncan Edwards. If you are interested  Charlie Two and White Charlie Two were  2nd and 3rd in our top 5 MDs as far as sales go with a Avoca Amanda topping the list this year- and good old Alloway Cottage occupying 6th place!

I think that things like this are very interesting and I've not grown any medium decs. Haven't really taken much interest in the Medium Decs at the shows, think that I'll have a closer look next year. Looked up Charlie Two - don't like that, T.Millennium was better but H.Kismet the best. I think I'm drawn to the deeper coloured dahlias. My best seedling at home this year is a white and lilac semi cactus, the same sort of colours as Brenda T, so I'm not going to have a contender. Although I do have a pretty bicoloured one come up at my Dad's for me. Do you raise seedlings as well dahliadave?

[ian]

Dave I am always interested in all Dahlias as you say Medium decs there are some good ones Millennium , Kismet, Andrea Clarke and a couple new ones they all have their faults and are a little harder to grow than most.but medium decs are the Cinderella class. Charlie 4 and Charlie 3 or Alf's Charlie 4 are easy to grow and get them on the bench, they do not have much form at all from the front on the floor they are not too bad but look from the side or on the bench they have very poor form. Yes it is a class that can be added too.
Moonlight growers like to see their cultivars in the classified and taking blooms for classification is one way, they are not always added, but as I say if they are good or winning quite often then the classification committee will pick them up anyway.